> so I can give all those freespeech nutjobs something That says everything about Mr. Barr that needs to be said.
How one man tracked down Anonymous—and paid a heavy price
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> The most accurate definition for Anonymous is "a subset of users of Xchan". That's not a very good definition, especially if you want to go around and pin DDOS and whatever else on individual people. I mentally replace "Anonymous" with "protesters" whenever they're protesting anything. It makes it a lot more clear and it's more accurate. We already have amorphous groups of people who protest various things, and thi…
I would guess that such groups are being manipulated by exceptionally smart people for specific ends, some significant fraction of the time.
For instance, the most interesting thing about a thread like this[1] is the timestamps, because they give you a rough idea of how many Anons are actually participating. Two and three minute gaps between posts is an eternity on /b/, the kind of thing you see when a thread hasn't gotten much attention and is likely to die. What I am saying is that many (perhaps most) of the posts (even apparently dissenting ones) in the above thread are likely to have been the same person, persistently bumping an overlooked thread, waiting for it to gain traction.
Of course there is no way to prove this, and one can more easily perceive this is a vibrant conversation between a much larger group of people (which also can't be proved). Whether this was intentional or not, it is an easy way for a vocal minority to recruit from the largely apathetic majority. The perception of being part of a group has an enormous impact on getting people to participate[1].
Not only does anonymity amplify the power of "leaders" in this way it also reflects the yearning of the "followers" to be relieved of the burden of an individual identity or responsibility. As Eric Hoffer describes in The True Believer:"Those who see their lives as spoiled and wasted crave equality and fraternity more than they do freedom. If they clamor for freedom, it is but freedom to establish equality and uniformity. The passion for equality is partly a passion for anonymity: to be one thread of the many which make up a tunic; one thread not distinguishable from the others. No one can then point us out, measure us against others and expose our inferiority."
That isn't to say that Anonymous consists uniformly of maladjusted poltroons--it doesn't, by a long shot, nor are they generally fanatics in any but the most temporary sense--but it's not controversial to say that it harbors a large population of disaffected youth and misfits of every stripe. Some eager to "do something", others just bored, but all by definition willing to disappear into a crowd.
[1]:http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/a/a4/Chanolog...
[2]:I think this is a pretty uncontroversial point, too, but Bill Wasik's "flash mob" work is particularly relevant http://www.harpers.org/archive/2006/03/0080963 "Q. Why would I want to join an inexplicable mob? A. Tons of other people are doing it."
Re: How one man tracked down Anonymous—and paid a heavy price
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#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would guess that such groups are being manipulated by exceptionally smart people for specific ends, some significant fraction of the time.
You don't have to be exceptionally smart, only persistent and willing to eschew the trappings of leadership in favor of playing the "Anonymous has no leaders" game. Anonymous craves leadership but resents authority, so it's crucial to appear indistinct from the super- or trans-human whole while prodding the herd in your desired direction lest you pop the illusory bubble that gives it strength. This is not unlike what…
1) Your post is pure gold.
2) You are probably such a transitory leader on /b/ or reddit.
A cryptic tl;dr would be: Lots of people want to be a superhero. Given the choice, most would opt for the power of invisibility.
Re: How one man tracked down Anonymous—and paid a heavy price
#95I can't believe this guy has a job in a security company doing work for the federal government. I'm getting a strong vibe that he's schizophrenic. I've known an unmedicated schizophrenic, and this is the way they talked and acted. Self-aggrandizing, convinced they have comprehended great secrets based on little to no data (schizophrenics often believe that have "other ways of knowing" or extremely heightened intuitio…
Just as I don't need a warrant to view a publicly available website, he shouldn't either. What you are proposing is that it should be illegal to view public pages in a certain order or time. What is the difference of me viewing 100 of my new crushes friends pages over 2 days vs 2 years? There isn't, but the first is rifling, the second is innocent curiosity.
I don't believe he was cyberbullying anyone. However, to address cyberstalking and cyberharasamnet we first have to consider what a reasonable person would have felt had those actions been taken against us. Before the release of the data, and while this was going on, those on the list were unaware of what was occurring. Just as a reasonable person isn't threatened until they become aware of the stalking, threats, etc in real life. Being unaware of what he was doing would mean that no constitute cyberstalking, cyberharassment or cyberbullying took place.
Barr is a private citizen accessing public information and drawing crazy conclusions. There's nothing illegal about that nor should there be.
Re: How one man tracked down Anonymous—and paid a heavy price
#96Some DOD contractors were attempting to hire them to put out miss-information to discredit wikileaks..
Which might explain the original Anonymous insvestigation
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If we go with the fact that Anonymous is infact a true distributed environment, then the replacement mechanism will be very easy. I think Anonymous is a kind of humanized group-comm architecture sans a coordinator.
You're overestimating the uniqueness of Anon. Most communities nowadays don't have coordinators. And Anon doesn't have limitless communication channels, only about a dozen. For a site/software to be a good choice, it has to be already in the "hivemind". Ask 10 Anon tot tell them 10 places where they hang, and the most common choices are the (only) ones that are viable. There is a unique feature though - the anonymity…
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I think your last paragraph nails it. He apparently called out a bunch of innocent people. Imagine the damage that could do? And agreed, the coder was a saint among men!
Regardless of whether the ones he called out are innocent (though I suspect most are, since his methods are the work of a madman), he trawled through hundreds of profiles, twitter feeds, IRC conversations, and basically cyberstalked the hell out of every friend of every person he thought might be a "leader" of Anonymous; many of them underage, and the vast majority completely oblivious about Anonymous. He even create…
That's also what private investigators and intelligence agents might do. By your logic, all private investigators using the same methods are pedophiles.
If I were deliberately smearing AB, I'd try to concoct a reason to mention him as you do in posts also mentioning "pedophile" and "schizophrenic" as often as possible, only I'd use logic that wasn't such an indiscriminate stretch.
That said, yes, I agree he's an unsavory character. His actions were also likely to get him in trouble. He was totally out of his depth and should've been fired.
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HBGary is a good company with some insanely great technology Insane would be to trust security-related products or advice from a company that can't even secure its own mailserver.
We don't know if the security of the mailserver was at stake here. A web app was compromised through SQL injection, then lateral movement was used to get to the mailserver (which may or may not have been on the same box). The rootkit.com mail server has nothing to do with HBGary AFAIK. To put it in perspective, HBGary's (not HBGary Federal) technology is a thing called Digital DNA that cuts down the amount of time it…
If their aim was the highest level of security, then such lateral movement should not have been possible.
Re: How one man tracked down Anonymous—and paid a heavy price
#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would guess that such groups are being manipulated by exceptionally smart people for specific ends, some significant fraction of the time.
You don't have to be exceptionally smart, only persistent and willing to eschew the trappings of leadership in favor of playing the "Anonymous has no leaders" game. Anonymous craves leadership but resents authority, so it's crucial to appear indistinct from the super- or trans-human whole while prodding the herd in your desired direction lest you pop the illusory bubble that gives it strength. This is not unlike what…
I just wanted to thank you, this was the second post I read this morning because it looked interesting and you didn't disappoint. The way you master the English language is astounding and I only wish I was able to wield words as well as you.