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Re: Citymapper

#91

Post by dang »

ACow_Adonis wrote: post #72
EmilLondon wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I work at Citymapper as a software engineer, and I know from my own personal experience that Glassdoor doesn't reflect our culture. We have a smart and passionate team. Everyone is supportive of each other, and you will learn a lot every day. There's an abundance of interesting problems around and everyone is passionate about building a great product. Anyone thinking of applying and is concerned about this, please co…

I was going to make a comment about how your response sounded either like marketing, AI-generated-text, or a HR department trying to recruit rather than an actual human being or software engineer, because you didn't actually say anything material while giving a lot of tech-recruiting catch phrases. So I clicked on your account and looked at your past comment history... yikes... Maybe you're an just an engineer that o…

This crosses into personal attack. EmilLondon did nothing wrong. Posting jobs to Who Is Hiring threads, in particular, is a service to the community.

We don't allow users to hound other users because of where they work. Please see https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... and make your substantive points without that in the future.

Re: Citymapper

#92

Post by ACow_Adonis »

dang wrote: post #91
ACow_Adonis wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was going to make a comment about how your response sounded either like marketing, AI-generated-text, or a HR department trying to recruit rather than an actual human being or software engineer, because you didn't actually say anything material while giving a lot of tech-recruiting catch phrases. So I clicked on your account and looked at your past comment history... yikes... Maybe you're an just an engineer that o…

This crosses into personal attack. EmilLondon did nothing wrong. Posting jobs to Who Is Hiring threads, in particular, is a service to the community. We don't allow users to hound other users because of where they work. Please see https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... and make your substantive points without that in the future.

I respectfully disagree.

If an account has done LITERALLY NOTHING but post recruitment ads for one company and posts in a style reminiscent of a spam or marketing bot, it is not a personal attack to point this out. It is doubly so when the content of their post was what tipped one off to the fact that they might not be what they claim to be and aren't acting in good faith.

It is pertinent information to those without the time to do further research that this account acts like a hostile actor, contributes nothing to the site, and its position and opinion should be further discounted.

Furthermore, it's highly relevant in a thread where the discussion contains observations that the company is the kind of place that is bad to work at, and spams public review sites like glassdoor with fake reviews, and now also, comment sections such as hacker news.

Re: Citymapper

#93

Post by dang »

ACow_Adonis wrote: post #92
dang wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This crosses into personal attack. EmilLondon did nothing wrong. Posting jobs to Who Is Hiring threads, in particular, is a service to the community. We don't allow users to hound other users because of where they work. Please see https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... and make your substantive points without that in the future.

I respectfully disagree. If an account has done LITERALLY NOTHING but post recruitment ads for one company and posts in a style reminiscent of a spam or marketing bot, it is not a personal attack to point this out. It is doubly so when the content of their post was what tipped one off to the fact that they might not be what they claim to be and aren't acting in good faith. It is pertinent information to those without…

Bringing in someone's history as ammunition in an argument or otherwise to discredit them ("I clicked on your account and looked at your past comment history... yikes") crosses into personal attack in a way we don't allow here. There are presumably ways of raising such concerns without impugning the other person's integrity or good faith, but the burden is on you to fully disambiguate that.

Otherwise we end up with the sort of personal sniping that simply drives people off the site, and that's neither fair nor in HN's interests. We want people to feel free to comment here about their work or workplace, because those are going to be among the things they know the most about.

Would you mind reviewing the site guidelines? They cover this kind of thing:

"Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Citymapper

#94

Post by ACow_Adonis »

dang wrote: post #93
ACow_Adonis wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I respectfully disagree. If an account has done LITERALLY NOTHING but post recruitment ads for one company and posts in a style reminiscent of a spam or marketing bot, it is not a personal attack to point this out. It is doubly so when the content of their post was what tipped one off to the fact that they might not be what they claim to be and aren't acting in good faith. It is pertinent information to those without…

Bringing in someone's history as ammunition in an argument or otherwise to discredit them ("I clicked on your account and looked at your past comment history... yikes") crosses into personal attack in a way we don't allow here. There are presumably ways of raising such concerns without impugning the other person's integrity or good faith, but the burden is on you to fully disambiguate that. Otherwise we end up with t…

Yes, I understand the guidelines.

Our area of disagreement, from my perspective, seems to be your emphasis on "assume good faith", whereas mine is on "strongest plausible interpretation". To which I would point out, with the context of the account's past posting history, the assumption of good faith is no longer the strongest plausible interpretation. Doubly so in the context of a comment thread specifically about/containing discussion of bad faith actions and hostile workplace environment stemming from said company.

Now don't get me wrong, I think it's possible for two people to reasonably disagree over this.

But I think that's it's also reasonable to point out that in an attempt to stop discussion devolving to personal attacks under such an interpretation of essentially ahistorical accounts/context, you raise the bias and de-evolution of the comments on HN to biasing towards marketing, boosters, bots, astroturfers, etc.

Re: Citymapper

#95

Post by gjs278 »

dang wrote: post #91
ACow_Adonis wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was going to make a comment about how your response sounded either like marketing, AI-generated-text, or a HR department trying to recruit rather than an actual human being or software engineer, because you didn't actually say anything material while giving a lot of tech-recruiting catch phrases. So I clicked on your account and looked at your past comment history... yikes... Maybe you're an just an engineer that o…

This crosses into personal attack. EmilLondon did nothing wrong. Posting jobs to Who Is Hiring threads, in particular, is a service to the community. We don't allow users to hound other users because of where they work. Please see https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... and make your substantive points without that in the future.

they did do something wrong. accounts are not allowed to be created for the sole purpose of self promotion or one topic. you just yelled at the perl6 guy for this. flag emaillondon for doing the same. and the perl6 guy actually does post other stuff too.

Re: Citymapper

#96

Post by half-kh-hacker »

hluska wrote: post #46
half-kh-hacker wrote: post #29

Here in the UK, some schools mandate unpaid 1-3 week work placements. I actually applied for a place at Citymapper and got a promising reply, but eventually I guess it fell through the cracks because I didn't receive any communication after. It would have been really cool to see what goes on in a focused tech company whose product I actually use (and like), but I guess these things happen.

Here is some unsolicited advice from a 42 year old who has spent a career in tech. If you are genuinely interested in a company and get one promising reply, keep following up until you hear 'no'. We were hunter/gatherers for a long time. Hunt the word 'no'. This isn't an excuse, more a mournful confession. But in startups, things like unpaid work placements tend to fall fairly low on the list of priorities. It isn't…

Sorry for being a bit late with the reply; I did consider following up, but didn't due to other factors, and found a placement elsewhere. (mainly, my distance from London.)

This is great advice, though. Thanks.

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