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Re: Travis Kalanick Is Exiting His Uber Holdings Uber Quickly

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Travis Kalanick and Adam Neumann should co-author a book entitled "Making Billions - No Profitability Required".

Your company doesn't have to make a profit for it to be (legitimately) worth a lot of money...Amazon is a great example.

Yes but AMZN did not make a billion of losses on two billions in revenue. They had way saner levels of P/L in the beginning[1], their revenues rose by more than 100% quarter per quarter base. that's not what's happening at UBER or WE Inc.

1: https://money.cnn.com/1999/10/27/technology/amazon/

Re: Travis Kalanick Is Exiting His Uber Holdings Uber Quickly

#92
post #57

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> 37% down since IPO isn't great basically every company drops from their IPO. indexes and funds and such don't include them for months (6? or more?) in order to give that a chance to settle out.

"basically every company drops from their IPO" is not at all true, hence the downvotes.

> hence the downvotes

basically every comment drops from their IPO

Re: Travis Kalanick Is Exiting His Uber Holdings Uber Quickly

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> Co-founders are supposed to have confidence in the business they built - if they don't, why should other investors? But what's in it for the co-founder? Usually it's that they have lots of power over the company, e.g. being a CEO, and have more freedom than someone who still has to prove that they deserve that power. Jeff Bezos for example "only" owns 100 billion USD but controls a 800 billion USD company, with the…

There are realms of wealth. Even 100m is not enough to comfortably afford a private jet. Several ultra wealthy like Bill Gates diversified a billion dollars from their company which seems to be about the limit where more money mostly becomes an abstraction. One example is people who actually own mansions generally live in a relatively small space inside. You can only really use one room at a time and walking around t…

$100m can very comfortably afford a private jet. Maybe not a brand new G6, but a small to mid size jet could be comfortably purchased and maintained while barely spending more than the market appreciation of that $100m.

Re: Travis Kalanick Is Exiting His Uber Holdings Uber Quickly

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Although you make a good point about general portfolio diversification, the difference between a "normal" employee and a co-founder is fairly large in this instance. Co-founders are supposed to have confidence in the business they built - if they don't, why should other investors?

> Co-founders are supposed to have confidence in the business they built The business they built and still either run or largely preside over, however Travis was ousted— I'm not sure he'd agree with their current direction as a result.

He's still on the board...

Re: Travis Kalanick Is Exiting His Uber Holdings Uber Quickly

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the markets are at all time highs Isn't the world economy built on the idea that markets will always go up? Every year should be an all time high, otherwise we're in recession which is (apparently) tragedy to be avoided at all costs, no?

It's not just that it's at all time highs. PE ratios are also at all time highs: that's the Price to earnings ratio. There's a number of indicators right now that are at all time highs like the Warren buffet ratio (GDP/earnings), all pointing saying this market is really expensive. This is the most hated bull market ever. None of the experts are buying heavily into this market (it's all stock buybacks that's driving…

Which PE ratios are at all time highs? Nasdaq aggregate PE is elevated above median but not at an all time high.

Re: Travis Kalanick Is Exiting His Uber Holdings Uber Quickly

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Interesting that the currrent CEO is buying Uber stock while founders are dumping it. It's unclear whether the stock Dara Khosrowshahi is buying comes at a discount, though.

>It's unclear whether the stock Dara Khosrowshahi is buying comes at a discount, though.

Insider stock purchases (price and quantity) have to be disclosed to the SEC. His last purchase was 250,000 shares @ $26.75.

https://www.nasdaq.com/market-activity/stocks/uber/insider-a...

Also interesting to note Travis was able to execute options for $0.61 in May, and turn around and sell the shares at market.

Re: Travis Kalanick Is Exiting His Uber Holdings Uber Quickly

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From TFA: > The 43-year-old’s remaining stake in the ride-hailing company now constitutes about a fifth of his $3 billion fortune, according to the Bloomberg Billionaires Index, down from about 75% before the lockup. To be fair, if I had 75% of my net worth in a single asset, I'd also try to diversify. My wife and I both have lots of stock in the companies we work for, due to RSUs and employee stock purchase programs…

As an aside to the parent poster, an often-stated guideline for the maximum amount you should own in the companies you work for is 10% of your portfolio value [1][2]. Modern portfolio theory (Markowitz, et. al.) calculations for a bundle of assets probably would bear out that 20% in a single stock is not on the efficient frontier [3].

[1] https://www.marketwatch.com/story/dont-invest-in-your-compan...

[2] https://www.forbes.com/sites/maggiemcgrath/2013/10/22/how-mu...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efficient_frontier

Re: Travis Kalanick Is Exiting His Uber Holdings Uber Quickly

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Co-founders are supposed to have confidence in the business they built The business they built and still either run or largely preside over, however Travis was ousted— I'm not sure he'd agree with their current direction as a result.

He's still on the board...

You can still want to maintain influence without having personal/financial exposure to the consequences.
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