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Re: Twitter funding a team to develop an open standard for social media

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kick wrote: post #75
thosakwe wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate AP as a protocol, but also I'd still rather use it than try to invent a new one that wouldn't get a lot of traction (though I guess if you're a big corp, there will always be traction).

For two of the biggest uses of Twitter, privately-scoped posts and private messages, Twitter implementing ActivityPub would effectively make that information public. Not a good thing, and one that Twitter would get a lawsuit for. AP is broken for any use other than publicly-scoped posts, and given that Twitter is already a huge target, I think adding fuel to the fire would really be bad here.

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Re: Twitter funding a team to develop an open standard for social media

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Post by qqii »

kick wrote: post #75
thosakwe wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate AP as a protocol, but also I'd still rather use it than try to invent a new one that wouldn't get a lot of traction (though I guess if you're a big corp, there will always be traction).

For two of the biggest uses of Twitter, privately-scoped posts and private messages, Twitter implementing ActivityPub would effectively make that information public. Not a good thing, and one that Twitter would get a lawsuit for. AP is broken for any use other than publicly-scoped posts, and given that Twitter is already a huge target, I think adding fuel to the fire would really be bad here.

Sorry for my ignorance but I don't understand how that's the case? As you've stated masterdon doesn't follow activitypub 100%, would would be stopping twitter from keeping their private chat between twitter users (or even adopting another open protocol such as matrix) whilst moving their public facing stuff to activitypub?

Re: Twitter funding a team to develop an open standard for social media

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Post by wufufufu »

I think Jack's ideas usually should be new companies and not changes to Square or Twitter. I also am disappointed that Vine was shuttered when TikTok is basically the same thing and now is a massive social network[1].

[1] https://techcrunch.com/2019/10/01/instagram-vs-tiktok/

Re: Twitter funding a team to develop an open standard for social media

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Post by ilaksh »

I think that most monopoly technology companies now expect decentralized systems to challenge them eventually.

So its smart to try to build and promote something that is decentralized but also allows them a profit model. It also makes sense just from an architectural standpoint in terms of scaling. I think Ethereum offers at least a chance they may do both of those things.

Re: Twitter funding a team to develop an open standard for social media

#96

Post by ilaksh »

edf13 wrote: post #87
mathnmusic wrote: post #28

They should at the very least evaluate ActivityPub. It's a W3C standard that reached "Recommended" status almost two years ago, is flexible enough for future use-cases, and already has multiple implementations like Mastodon. In fact, any app can be made to act as a source, sink or both of ActivityPub events. I recently added ActivityPub support to learnawesome.org so that reviews can be consumed in any ActivityPub cl…

That's not going to work.... There are egos at stake here!

I don't think its mostly about egos but rather about money. Something like Ethereum offers a potential profit model which ActivityPub does not.

Also ActivityPub relies on servers/federated rather than p2p.

Re: Twitter funding a team to develop an open standard for social media

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Post by HJain13 »

techlaw wrote: post #15
malvosenior wrote: post #4

Twitter has repeatedly demonstrated that they are not a developer friendly company and that you should never build anything on their APIs. Since day one, they've done nothing but crack down on 3rd party development and peel away access. They are the last company that should be trusted to develop an open standard.

Well, maybe second-to-last.

You can't just say that and not tell who you think is last

Re: Twitter funding a team to develop an open standard for social media

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Post by laksmanv »

kick wrote: post #82

To those of you pushing for ActivityPub: Webber's trashed it (the initial author) and is working on a way to mitigate the problems of it by implementing incompatible changes, the biggest piece of software claiming to implement it doesn't even implement it (Mastodon), the only piece of software that stays semi-faithful is full of devs who hate it (Pleroma). AP is completely broken for anything but publicly-scoped cont…

Could I shoot you an email about this?

Re: Twitter funding a team to develop an open standard for social media

#99

Post by gkoberger »

OzzyB wrote: post #10

“There's an old saying on the Internet — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.”

I know it seems like Bush forgot the quote, but in reality he likely realized halfway through he didn't want a soundbite of him saying "Shame on me".
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