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Re: Firefox Full-device VPN

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If Mullvad is in the US, courts can compel Mullvad to siphon their clients' information and not disclose it despite any claims their policy makes.

Yeah I wouldn’t use any US VPN unless it had a warrant canary and didn’t keep logs

It which countries do you think a VPN provider can ignore a court issued warrant?

Re: Firefox Full-device VPN

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Why would WireGuard be important? It's nice technically but the benefits vs mature protocols are not really material in a vpn service's value proposition, compared to other properties.

I recently became a mullvad customer and used wireguard for the first time. Maybe this is a windows thing, but it's so, so much faster than what I was used to from openVPN, ike, etc.

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Re: Firefox Full-device VPN

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I think it's because Firefox have made their own client and they only want to offer Wireguard connections. Since Wireguard is still a bit new and buggy, they probably want to make sure it's stable and roll out in stages.

Wireguard isn't US-only in any way. Like, I literally do not understand at all. I can download a working, functional, largely stable Wireguard client on my phone or configure it on my Linux desktop without issue from outside the US. Like, US-based has no bearing on any of this. At all.

The VPN tech itself is not the only concern. Localization & payments & legal are also huge concerns beyond the US. This is also aimed at not necessarily tech-savvy folks, so that is also a concern.

Re: Firefox Full-device VPN

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post #85

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Why would WireGuard be important? It's nice technically but the benefits vs mature protocols are not really material in a vpn service's value proposition, compared to other properties.

I recently became a mullvad customer and used wireguard for the first time. Maybe this is a windows thing, but it's so, so much faster than what I was used to from openVPN, ike, etc.

Anyone know if there's something weird about OpenVPN that makes it particularly bad? You'd think crypto + UDP encapsulation at consumer internet speeds would be pretty straightforward to implement performantly in this day and age.

Re: Firefox Full-device VPN

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Perhaps Mullvad is great. I don’t know. The whole VPN industry is full of shucksters, and when Mozilla says that Mullvad has “committed” to privacy doesn’t sound like enough heft to me. Why isn’t Mozilla running their own servers if this really is something worth getting into? They’re one of the few privacy and public good companies we have left.

Consider another angle: Mozilla doesn't have experience running a VPN. There are a lot of terrible mistakes to be made there.

If Mozilla can secure a good contract with folks who have run a VPN, isn't that a better technical scenario? I mean, sure, you have to assume that the contract has teeth to enforce privacy guarantees. But I think that's part of the value proposition here.

Re: Firefox Full-device VPN

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Whatever it takes to get reduce their reliance on Google. Mozilla’s goals are at odds with the direction in which Google is taking Chrome, so their dependency on Google is unhealthy at best. Money is a necessary evil, choices must be made.

This. And since I've been looking for a new VPN provider after recent issues with PIA and NordVPN, I'd be happy to pay Mozilla for it. I've also heard a lot of good things about Mullvad so I'm definitely a customer when it's available here.

I feel the same way.

I still have a PIA subscription for a few months, which I'm now planning on using until this becomes available in more regions (+ on more platforms, Linux and Android in my case), but as soon as it does, I'll be happy to switch over.

Re: Firefox Full-device VPN

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How is this brand dilution?

Because Firefox is a browser, not a family of products. Well, now it is, but they already had a brand for their family of products: Mozilla.

Frankly, very few people know Mozilla. Many people know Firefox. There's been lots of brand research into this.

So, for many years now, "Firefox" has been morphing into a brand that encompasses many online tools beyond the browser that are all intended to be tied together by Mozilla's mission & manifesto.

Re: Firefox Full-device VPN

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>Does Firefox Private Network log my browsing history? >Firefox is committed to protecting your privacy. Our privacy policy describes how we handle your data. The VPN is provided in partnership with Mullvad, who is committed to not monitoring or logging your browsing or network history. So in other words, Mullvad doesn't track you but Mozilla does. Is that interpretation correct?

Nope, not correct.

Re: Firefox Full-device VPN

#100
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It’s pretty normal to test features in one market and then roll it out and solve scaling issues or bugs that crop up. If you have a flawless strategy to scale and roll out a big bug free release across the globe I’m sure a lot of people would be interested in that. Just like Disney+ that started in the Netherlands months before starting in the US.

My guess is everyone on here defending US only... is in the US. Could be wrong.

I mean, also computers are hard and this is a thing that's worth getting right by reducing variables and taking it small steps at a time?
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