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Re: The successor of SMS has already been hacked

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Great work! So this is mostly on Google's implementation? Or is RCS insecure in general?

TFA: >SRLabs didn't find an issue in the RCS standard itself, but rather how it is being implemented by different telecos

Yeah, but on the very next sentence:

> Because some of the standard is undefined...

Re: The successor of SMS has already been hacked

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When did carriers ever get anything tech based right? In fact to expect them is wrong as their business model is very different to a tech company. They are beneficiaries of law-bound limited duopolies or oligopolies. In most countries the only audience they care for are the regulators, and not consumers or their security and safety. Regulatory capture is a wonderful thing for these companies and not for consumers.

> When did carriers ever get anything tech based right?

If Ericsson is considered a carrier, then I'd say Erlang is a good counter-example to this. Though it might be the classic "exception that proved the rule".

Re: The successor of SMS has already been hacked

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While in RoW iPhones are definitely luxury items, by this very property about half (or more) of people whose decisions matter would have one, and you often wouldn’t want to use technology that doesn’t work on your bosses’ phone.

Is this a troll? You think half of the world's decision makers are in the US?

You might well be right on both items, but see the comment below by spatular for my intention.

(aside: is there a name for the extension of Hanlon's razor where one shouldn't attribute to stupidity a simple miscommunication?)

Re: The successor of SMS has already been hacked

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E-mail doesn't have end-to-end encryption either. PGP doesn't count.

Why doesn't PGP count?

Because it's PGP not email providing the encryption. Say we said PGP does count as e2ee for email, why doesn't it count for RCS? What about every protocol, I can just PGP sign messages on them so aren't they all e2ee?

Ideally when talking about e2ee it's not an optional opt in either but that's a whole different debate.

Re: The successor of SMS has already been hacked

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It's so unfortunate that Google couldn't stay focused and make Hangouts competitive with iMessage. I would guess that the issue stems from Hangouts' legacy code base that harkens back to Google Talk. However, it appears their 3rd(?) attempt to replace it with RCS/Messages is failing once again. Google engineers if you're listening - FIX AND IMPROVE HANGOUTS AND STOP WASTING YOUR EFFORTS ON NEW MESSAGING PROJECTS

I think it was back in 2013 mobile communication had peaked. In one app (hangouts) I could: sms/mms/IM/phone-call/video-call using my phone, laptop, or some library kiosk browser in private mode. All of this and the notifications went to all of my devices whether or not my physical phone was powered on or connected. On my actual phone Hangouts would also show all of my local messages and I could merge conversations. Voicemails autotranscribed and you could even have them sent as emails to you. SPAM call filtering was built in. IMs could send images/videos. About the only thing it didn't do was send files (had to put it on Google Drive and share the link manually).

Now 6 years later there is nobody else (free or paid) that offers what Google offered for free in 2013. Google itself has disabled functionality in Hangouts and put out a deprecation notice. The replacement options have been spread across multiple individual app attempts, some of which have already closed down, none of which actually got to the point of replicating the functionality.

Hopefully some service will come along that mimics what I was able to do in 2013, I just hope Google Voice doesn't get gimped before then.

Re: The successor of SMS has already been hacked

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And of course, RCS is not even end-to-end-encrypted so there is no reason whatsoever to use it over SMS or any other messaging platform. I hope we'll see a good and federated instant-messaging platform that respects privacy and is easy to adopt.

RCS was a steaming pile of shit from the moment it was first announced. No instant messenger platform should be developed in this age without E2EE.

https://www.privacytools.io/software/real-time-communication...

I do think that Matrix really has the chance to stand out from the competitors here.

Particularly in regard to: https://www.privacytools.io/software/real-time-communication...

Re: The successor of SMS has already been hacked

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It's so unfortunate that Google couldn't stay focused and make Hangouts competitive with iMessage. I would guess that the issue stems from Hangouts' legacy code base that harkens back to Google Talk. However, it appears their 3rd(?) attempt to replace it with RCS/Messages is failing once again. Google engineers if you're listening - FIX AND IMPROVE HANGOUTS AND STOP WASTING YOUR EFFORTS ON NEW MESSAGING PROJECTS

> Google engineers if you're listening - FIX AND IMPROVE HANGOUTS AND STOP WASTING YOUR EFFORTS ON NEW MESSAGING PROJECTS

No don't fix hangouts, help out with matrix.org. They are really offering what nobody else is these days and making huge progress in the short period of time they've been around.

Re: The successor of SMS has already been hacked

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Contactless is capped if you're not using Apple / Google Pay. You need the chip for anything over the cap.

Withdrew $1,500 from Bank of Millenium ATM using contactless card and BLIK in Europe. If by Cap we define I could not withdrew it all then that's correct.

I mean this cap: https://merchantmachine.co.uk/contactless-limits/
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