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Re: Facebook and Microsoft Partner on Remote Development

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Post by lightgreen »

madhadron wrote: post #84
lightgreen wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t believe people who can’t learn vim can actually code something meaningful, but why not use any other editor like nano?

Do you think that figuring out vim is a good use for people who are probably time limited anyway and are trying to build useful skills? Using a vi clone is a lifestyle choice, not an employable skill. Frankly, so is nano or anything else that asks them to abandon the skills they may have developed for navigating their computing environment.

Learning vim is 1% of skills at most. If these people can’t really afford to learn vim, how can they can learn I don’t know, React or Django.

(I think Vim is employable: being able to quickly edit a file in any Unix-like environment is very helpful. But that’s off topic.)

Anyway, if nano is not good enough there are hundreds of other decent editors available. My point is: “VS Code is good because vim is hard” is a very weak argument. VS Code is good, no doubt. But if it a teacher forces students to use Vim, and students have problems with Vim, then the problem is not in lack of VS Code.

Re: Facebook and Microsoft Partner on Remote Development

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Post by thrwer34324 »

mraison wrote: post #17

Very happy about this move. Nuclide’s remote development capabilities were way above anything else I’ve tried (Sublime, IntelliJ Ultimate, VSCode, remote SSH mounts, etc). It’s the only solution I’ve found that really allows you to browse the remote filesystem as smoothly as you would with your local drive (including when you’re also changing the remote files outside the IDE), degrade functionality as needed when the…

Dired/Emacs has already had everything you're talking about for a long long time. There is even support for remote "inferior shells" in Emacs - notably for python.

Re: Facebook and Microsoft Partner on Remote Development

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Post by mbar84 »

songzme wrote: post #80

I teach underprivileged adults how to code. Most of them use old computers so I had them ssh into my server when they code so they don't have to install anything. When they learn about web development, whatever they built would be immediately available online under their subdomains that they could show off immediately to their friends and try on their phones. The only drawback is that they had to learn and use vim to…

Perhaps you can let them edit their files locally and instead of vim, teach them how to scp/rsync the files onto your server. Hopefully their computers are at least fast enough to run VS-Code.

Re: Facebook and Microsoft Partner on Remote Development

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Post by paxys »

jameslk wrote: post #25

The trend seems to be the IDE and development environment will move to the cloud for larger companies. This is what Facebook and Google are already doing. It makes ramp up easier, environments more consistent and tooling more predictable. Also you can spin up multiple development branches of the same codebase without having to switch branches or stash changes (a big deal when you have one giant monorepo). And probabl…

Crossing international borders with company data and source code is also a huge risk nowadays, so much that several companies I know have banned it entirely. It's safer to keep everything on-site and have employees access whatever they need remotely.

Re: Facebook and Microsoft Partner on Remote Development

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Post by bitwize »

songzme wrote: post #80

I teach underprivileged adults how to code. Most of them use old computers so I had them ssh into my server when they code so they don't have to install anything. When they learn about web development, whatever they built would be immediately available online under their subdomains that they could show off immediately to their friends and try on their phones. The only drawback is that they had to learn and use vim to…

You know, there are modeless editors that are available through the terminal. There's Emacs, of course, which I recommend, but for beginners an editor like joe or nano, suitably configured, might do quite well.

Re: Facebook and Microsoft Partner on Remote Development

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Post by songzme »

sbmthakur wrote: post #82
songzme wrote: post #80

I teach underprivileged adults how to code. Most of them use old computers so I had them ssh into my server when they code so they don't have to install anything. When they learn about web development, whatever they built would be immediately available online under their subdomains that they could show off immediately to their friends and try on their phones. The only drawback is that they had to learn and use vim to…

Glad to hear you are doing that. If I may ask, does the program/course has any online presence?

I'm trying to document everything we teach here: c0d3.com/book

Re: Facebook and Microsoft Partner on Remote Development

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Post by p1esk »

m0zg wrote: post #71

BTW folks who haven't tried VS Code SSH remote yet, it's _very_ impressive. For all intents and purposes you get "local" dev experience on a remote box, connected over SSH. Python code complete and cross-referencing is much smarter than what you'd usually get in Vim, and if you want Vim keybindings, you can have that too. I still use Vim for a lot of things, but when I need to work on a large codebase and need better…

What are the benefits of having local dev experience on a remote box vs coding locally and sending the code to the remote machine to run it there (e.g. Pycharm remote deployment)?

Re: Facebook and Microsoft Partner on Remote Development

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Post by Maakuth »

mbar84 wrote: post #94
songzme wrote: post #80

I teach underprivileged adults how to code. Most of them use old computers so I had them ssh into my server when they code so they don't have to install anything. When they learn about web development, whatever they built would be immediately available online under their subdomains that they could show off immediately to their friends and try on their phones. The only drawback is that they had to learn and use vim to…

Perhaps you can let them edit their files locally and instead of vim, teach them how to scp/rsync the files onto your server. Hopefully their computers are at least fast enough to run VS-Code.

Notepad++ (for Windows, there's similar things for other platforms) at least has ability to transparently deal with remote connections, maybe that would be good option here.
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