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Re: Scott Adams: How to Tax the Rich

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Eliminate all federal taxes and print the money needed for government operations. Effectively this becomes an inflation tax. Automatically it affects the wealthy in direct proportion to their wealth as opposed to their most recent earnings. No loopholes, no games, no misallocation of resources for tax breaks.

Doesn't affect the wealthy that much because they hold more of their wealth in property, shares, etc, rather than in bank accounts.

And everyone would switch to using euros.

Re: Scott Adams: How to Tax the Rich

#92

Eliminate all federal taxes and print the money needed for government operations. Effectively this becomes an inflation tax. Automatically it affects the wealthy in direct proportion to their wealth as opposed to their most recent earnings. No loopholes, no games, no misallocation of resources for tax breaks.

Inflation hurts the poor and the middle class the most since their savings are not in inflation protected assets - land, stock, etc...

Re: Scott Adams: How to Tax the Rich

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Scott Adams, like the politicians in Washington DC, is living in a dream world. Cut all discretionary and defense spending to 0, and we would still be running a deficit due to entitlements. Tax "the rich" at 100%, and we would still be running a deficit. Tax corporations at 100%, and we would still be running a deficit. On the left, politicians make it sound as though we're just a few tax hikes and some defense cuts…

> Cut all discretionary and defense spending to 0, and we would still be running a deficit due to entitlements. Tax "the rich" at 100%, and we would still be running a deficit. Tax corporations at 100%, and we would still be running a deficit.

Do you have some numbers for this?

Re: Scott Adams: How to Tax the Rich

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"The hole is too big to plug with cost cutting or economic growth alone." Say's who? Take a look at the 2011 budget: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/02/01/us/budget.html The biggest pieces of the pie are things we are UNWILLING to cut (not incapable of cutting)! Its time for us to make some difficult decisions about what cuts we should make instead of relying on other peoples' money to solve other peoples' pr…

Democrats will have to be the one to do it too. Republicans don't have the credibility. It's the Nixon in China thing where a Republican can open dialog with a communist leader but a Democrat would appear to be socialist for doing so.

Re: Scott Adams: How to Tax the Rich

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One thing that at least some rich people will pay for is status symbols (expensive watches, sports cars that will never exceed 100mph, mansions with rooms that are used only a couple of times a year, $500 t-shirts). Status signaling is ultimately a zero-sum positional arms race that can lead to some pretty ridiculous conclusions(1) and doesn't really leave anyone better off (other than, perhaps, luxury goods supplier…

The problem is that it's hard to create a high status item. Say you invent the "US Govt. Certified Top 0.1% Badge" - do you really think Peter Thiel, John Paulson or Alex Rodriguez will really give a crap? Taxing existing luxury status symbols could work, and is very likely a good idea. Creating new status symbols is likely to fail horribly. Also, the tax on certain neighborhoods neglects the very large non-status re…

Would they give a crap? Possibly, when you consider that the badge would symbolize an investment in the infrastructure that supports everyone's lives.

Re: Scott Adams: How to Tax the Rich

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post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? Are you saying it's easy to make money if you're just providing financial services? :/

No, I'm saying the industry as a whole failed.

I don't think that's true at all.

Several banks did fantastically, announced record profits etc. The industry as a whole didn't fail, some particular institutions did.

Re: Scott Adams: How to Tax the Rich

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There's certainly a lot of merit to this article. I think it's important to remember that the "rich" aren't necessarily people as wealthy as Warren Buffet and Bill Gates. Moreover, while there are many people born into wealth, there are many who make their own wealth through earnest work and frugal investments. They're the ones who are likely more outraged than "taxes on the rich," and it's a very valid argument.

If we look to how the private sector handles this, we see that airlines have their own VIP status system. You might have "Elite Access" status on Continental Airlines, you might have an American Express Platinum card, you might be an HHonors member at Hilton. These companies offer loyalty incentives to hold onto customers, and I think it's a model that the government could eventually adopt.

Re: Scott Adams: How to Tax the Rich

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is considered by many to be unfair because consumption inequality is not as large as income inequality. Peter Thiel may be 10,000-100,000x richer than me, but I'd be very surprised if he consumes even 1000x more than I do.

The consumption tax doesn't have to be a flat tax. You pay more tax for a pack a cigarettes than a pack of paper. Peter Theil makes about 200x more a year than the average person, but he doesn't have to consume 200 times more than the average person if all the items he wants to buy are at a much higher tax rate. They only way to avoid the tax is to not buy luxury items, and if a billionaire wants to live the life of…

You're taxing the wrong thing. Your idea would be great if we wanted billionaires to act like regular joes. But generally, in North America, we don't care about that. The problem was about fixing the deficit.

yummyfajitas was right: consumption taxes are generally considered regressive. Also, the rich, or even the professional class, have many more options to disguise their consumption as business expenses.

Re: Scott Adams: How to Tax the Rich

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post #18

One thing that at least some rich people will pay for is status symbols (expensive watches, sports cars that will never exceed 100mph, mansions with rooms that are used only a couple of times a year, $500 t-shirts). Status signaling is ultimately a zero-sum positional arms race that can lead to some pretty ridiculous conclusions(1) and doesn't really leave anyone better off (other than, perhaps, luxury goods supplier…

The problem is that it's hard to create a high status item. Say you invent the "US Govt. Certified Top 0.1% Badge" - do you really think Peter Thiel, John Paulson or Alex Rodriguez will really give a crap? Taxing existing luxury status symbols could work, and is very likely a good idea. Creating new status symbols is likely to fail horribly. Also, the tax on certain neighborhoods neglects the very large non-status re…

A special ID that gives you status isn't so hard to imagine: it is basically like the Black Card, which is actually pretty shitty in terms of benefits but rich people (and people who want to appear rich) want anyways because it is a status symbol you can whip out when ever you want.

Re: Scott Adams: How to Tax the Rich

#100

Scott Adams, like the politicians in Washington DC, is living in a dream world. Cut all discretionary and defense spending to 0, and we would still be running a deficit due to entitlements. Tax "the rich" at 100%, and we would still be running a deficit. Tax corporations at 100%, and we would still be running a deficit. On the left, politicians make it sound as though we're just a few tax hikes and some defense cuts…

no one in my generation (I am currently 24) will see either of these programs as our parents did.

You're gonna laugh, but I thought the same thing when I was 24 (twenty years ago) and Social Security is still solvent for the next thirty.

That system ain't broke. It's just that they really, really, really want that money. If they manage to get us to break it for them, your pessimism is - quite literally - a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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