The blue bubbles in the GIF example look exactly like iMessage on iOS, coincidence?
Except unlike in iMessage where blue bubbles basically mean end-to-end encrypted messaging, Google's version is completely unencrypted.
Upgrading Messaging on Android in the U.S. with RCS
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#92Can anyone confirm the biggest issue (in my opinion) with RCS? It's not end-to-end encrypted. Update: Confirmed it myself [1]. End-to-end encryption is not even an option. Which is perfect for the data addicts like Google. But honestly I would never ever recommend this as an avenue for people to use over something like WhatsApp. [1]: https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/14/20964477/googles-rcs-cha...
You can't do a data grab if you can't see the data.
Who is calling a cab? Who needs a tow? Who is texting a URL? What food is being ordered, etc...
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#93No, thanks. I really, really, really don't want SMS "upgraded" in this way. If I wanted something like RCS, I'd be using a messaging app. Here's hoping that everything remains compatible with old-school SMS.
Why use SMS instead of a messaging app? Why is the call network side channel the ideal cellular messaging protocol?
The call network side is universal. Messaging apps aren't. It's really that simple for me.
With SMS, I don't have to agree with the other parties about what app we're going to use. We can just exchange messages without a hassle.
The only downside is the lack of encryption, but I can live with that.
Another consideration, and this is why I'm resistant to RCS, is that I actively don't want all the bells and whistles that messaging apps have. All I want to do is be able to exchange short plain text messages.
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#94No, thanks. I really, really, really don't want SMS "upgraded" in this way. If I wanted something like RCS, I'd be using a messaging app. Here's hoping that everything remains compatible with old-school SMS.
Why use SMS instead of a messaging app? Why is the call network side channel the ideal cellular messaging protocol?
There are people who do not want to install four hundred messaging apps. There are even people who do not want to install one messaging app. Calls and texts are included in phone plans, and despite Facebook's marketing, there are still more SMS users than Whatsapp users.
There is no ideal cellular messaging protocol. People aren't going to change programs because some computer person is enamored with a specific encryption platform.
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Exactly my experience. I finally bit the bullet and switched to the Apple side. There are things I miss from android but I trust Apple not to self sabotage much more than I trust Google these days. Which is weird, and exactly the opposite of the feeling I had 5 years ago.
I'm in this situation right now - was just debating buying an iPhone yesterday after never owning anything from Apple. How do you like it so far?
Switched about a year ago, very satisfied with that decision and the whole experience.
Everything just works great, I never need to worry about stuff randomly slowing down or my battery dying midway through the day (mind you, my previous device was a flagship android phone Galaxy S8+, so it isn't like I am comparing my iPhone to a cheap entry-level android device).
First week or two were a bit confusing, because the UI/UX shortcuts and flow are so different from android. But after that, I found things to be more intuitive and efficient. The phone displays zero signs of battery degradation or slowing down, everything is just as blazing fast as it was the day I bought it. Battery lasts me easily over a day of normal usage, almost 2 days if I use it lightly.
OS updates arrive fast and to all phones at the same time, without me having to wait 6+ months for my manufacturer to finally push them. With Android, it was extremely annoying to see all those cool new features that people got, but I have to wait many months for (not even talking about security patches). And that's assuming I will ever receive any kind of OS updates on Android 2+ years after the release.
Also, App Store experience is definitely more refined than the garbage pile that Play Store is.
Switching out iPhones is painless too, as all your session data is included in the (encrypted) backups. So you don't need to log-in again into every single app and set up all your custom settings again when you get a new phone. You just wait until the restore from backup completes, and you are set.
I realize that my take might sound a bit biased, and it probably is, but I am just very glad I've made the jump. My last iPhone before going all android until the last year was iPhone 4, and imo it is miles ahead of where it is used to be in terms of overall user experience.
tl;dr: if you want a solid device that just works well and performs exactly as you want it to, you won't be disappointed. If you want to fully customize your phone, sideload a different OS, do some hacky stuff, then Android would be a better choice.
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Not the parent, but I recently switched to an iPhone and I'm liking it. On Android, I was constantly using new Apps, looking at /r/android for release announcements, and getting excited about all the new releases. Then, at some point, I realized I just wanted a phone that works. That's when I switched to Apple. That's not to say my Pixel didn't do everything my iPhone does. It could do it all and in many cases it cou…
mostly agree except 3d touch which is clearly the most undiscoverable input method ever conceived. oh, and shake to undo, which i not once used intentionally.
3D Touch is dead. It’s not in any of the current generation phones. Also in iOS 13, undo is swiping three fingers to the left and redo is swiping three fingers to the right. The shake to undo still works.
I actually think it’s easier. It’s hard to do a three finger swipe while holding the phone.
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#97New protocol in 2019 with no support for encryption, this is not acceptable.
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Exactly my experience. I finally bit the bullet and switched to the Apple side. There are things I miss from android but I trust Apple not to self sabotage much more than I trust Google these days. Which is weird, and exactly the opposite of the feeling I had 5 years ago.
I just replaced my Pixel XL with a used iPhone X last week. One thing that I'm struck by is I don't get the feeling that the device is trying to monopolize my attention. It could just be because I still have more friction with it (due to it being unfamiliar), but I wonder if it's also because Apple and Google have very different business objectives: Apple doesn't have nearly the same interest in the quantity of my en…
I have to disagree on that one. One thing iOS does better to not let apps allow notifications by default. But other than that notifications are much better on Android and it's also a lot easier to disable notifications on Android now.
I think it has to do with you being unfamiliar with the phone and more friction that comes with it.
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I'm in this situation right now - was just debating buying an iPhone yesterday after never owning anything from Apple. How do you like it so far?
Not the parent, but I recently switched to an iPhone and I'm liking it. On Android, I was constantly using new Apps, looking at /r/android for release announcements, and getting excited about all the new releases. Then, at some point, I realized I just wanted a phone that works. That's when I switched to Apple. That's not to say my Pixel didn't do everything my iPhone does. It could do it all and in many cases it cou…
Couldn't you use your Android phone as you are using your iPhone? It was your choice after all to go to /r/Android and try out new apps. I am pretty sure you are using the same 90% of apps on iPhone now that you used on your Android. And for the other 10% you could very well have settled on something and be done with it.
I bet you will be looking at /r/Apple in a few months.
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pinephone will be my next phone, ubports on nexus 5 has been pretty good too. That said I feel like we're going into this weird place where you have to have a cell phone even though every day i feel like wanting to have one less and less.
Agree re "have to have a cell phone". When I check for an example of a person participating in society (US) without any phone, I come up empty handed. Then try with me to even describe a setup where a person could reasonably participate but not need a phone. I am vaguely certain this is actually not possible (credit/transportation etc). Perhaps the dire wolf citizen of privacy is pulling this off..but what a high bar…
I actually know a couple of people who simply don't own cell phones at all. They're certainly an extreme minority, but their lives aren't any harder for it. The only repercussion is that they can't get/send calls or texts when they're out and about.