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Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by Vaslo »

aloisdg wrote: post #12

I am all for fighting capitalism, but I wont tolerate any form of ads. Ads are a threat for free thinking. They are pollution, poison, for the mind. I dont want to face any form of manipulation. Beside, Brave is chromium based. If you want to fight the chrome monopoly, go somewhere else. I could be fine with a fork of Firefox with a preinstall uBlockOrigin, Privacy Possum, facebook container, etc.

Your first comment doesn’t make sense or maybe I am misreading. Do you mean you are fighting for capitalism or fighting against it? You are implying you are against capitalism by banning advertising which is a very capitalist thing. I’m confused

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by songshuu »

Angeo34 wrote: post #75

Whoever uses Brave for "privacy" reasons should understand that Chrome offers more privacy due to fingerprintability. I see the downvotes coming yet it is true check it for yourself. Brave is so easy to fingerprint compared to Chrome it defeats any purpose ever to use Brave in the first place if privacy is your main goal. Removing all the Google bits from the Chromium base doesn't help since you are so fingerprintabl…

If you're talking about the canvas id fingerprint which is identical across all instances of the browser, that lets Brave users hide in the crowd, so it's literally more private.

Panopticlick needs to update their docs to make that clearer.

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Post by buboard »

Ha , it seems i ve made a few bucks (rather, bats) and didn't even know. I didn't know you can monetize twitter and reddit, but it makes a lot of sense! I kinda like the idea of users controlling sites indirectly by rewarding and punishing them for ads, kind of a direct-to-webmaster upvote button. Not sure about the way they implement their ad replacement, but if the basic model works there will probably be more companies that will enter the BAT ecosystem.

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Post by jonathansampson »

Aaronstotle wrote: post #66

I don't understand why they didn't use a stable coin/transition BAT to a stable coin, the volatility of BAT probably keeps creators uneasy. Why sign up for a service where contributions can lose half their value overnight.

When did you see that type of volatility? Advertiser dollars go into the system through purchases of BAT by the team. This helps to maintain steady value. You can see previous transactions (and more) at brave.com/transparency.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by the_duke »

have_faith wrote: post #30

If people like Brave's ad model, all the power to them. I would personally never touch it. I'm not philosophically on board with the idea that paying people to look at ads is a pragmatic way forward. It doesn't matter if it's opt-in, free-to-play games with loot crates are opt-in, but the decision to go down that road will effect their decision making process when designing new features and I don't want to be part of…

I'm skeptical of the model too, and have no intention of using Brave.

But: you can also not enable ads and buy BATs yourself. This gives you a single system to distribute donations to content you enjoy.

Which is actually quite an interesting concept, since it is low effort/automatic for the user and yet allows small contributions.

Of course it also gives Brave a potentially huge position of power, which is my biggest problem.

If the BAT system was run by a independent non-profit and not browser specific it would be more appealing.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by hombre_fatal »

notyourwork wrote: post #16
mk89 wrote: post #11

I don't know if I understood it right, but BATs are only given when users see the ads, right? If this is the case, it seems that Brave fosters the use of ads, not reduce it. Is my understanding right?

Did Brave ever claim to reduce the use of ads? As I understand, they want to shift the revenue model and put control back in hands of users. You can use their browser and ignore ads (also not receive Bats) or you can see ads and receive compensation for it.

> Did Brave ever claim to reduce the use of ads?

Are you serious? Ad-blocking by default is a core part of the marketing and self-description. I'm actually amazed they replace ads instead of just "uBlock"-ing them. Sounds like a joke.

Look at the copy on https://brave.com/ and https://brave.com/download/

Are you telling me the average person reads "blocks ads" and expects it to mean "we replace ads with our own"?

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by have_faith »

bilbo0s wrote: post #65
have_faith wrote: post #30

If people like Brave's ad model, all the power to them. I would personally never touch it. I'm not philosophically on board with the idea that paying people to look at ads is a pragmatic way forward. It doesn't matter if it's opt-in, free-to-play games with loot crates are opt-in, but the decision to go down that road will effect their decision making process when designing new features and I don't want to be part of…

In all honesty, I'm not sure how I feel about this model? I'm one of those people who has been out saying that the web needs a new business model. Well, here one is, and yet I find myself a bit hesitant to embrace it? It's probably just a matter of needing more information to fill in the blanks and explain the contradictions. That said, my mind tends to automatically start strategizing the long game, and I'm uncertai…

> my mind tends to automatically start strategizing the long game

Ditto. The long game seems to be to become an alternative Google of sorts. In the sense that Brave becomes the ad delivery middle man to every web user like Google and FB currently is.

With regards to the current business model, I don't think it's broken at all. What is broken is the expectation that because users find most internet content so worthless that they wouldn't ever consider paying for it that some alternative revenue modal surely exists to keep the current system afloat. It's a flawed assumption. These new ad modals are just lipstick on a pig. The underlining product is already not valued enough to charge for (like crappy news articles and hastily written blog posts). No new monetisation modal will fix it.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by jonathansampson »

Lordarminius wrote: post #2

Here are two problems I have noticed with brave-browser : The layout is great on widescreen monitors but breaks on my 15'' laptop. Sites like YouTube render as a garish mess of incongruously placed whitespace. This is a major issue. Also, the brave icons for receiving 'rewards', when activated, are too large obstrusive when displayed on websites. I had to turn them off in settings. On the good side, I like that I don…

Thank you for the feedback! Would you be able to share a couple screenshots? I'd love to share this information with our design team.
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