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Chicago book returns surge 240% after city eliminates fines

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Re: Chicago book returns surge 240% after city eliminates fines

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if you can redefine the problem to not have a "good actor" distinction. For instance, instead of the normal term-based borrowing, say that every taxpayer gets, say, 10 books at a time, funded by the state (to promote education/culture/whatever). You can swap out those books as often as you want. You can also hold onto those books as long as you want. If they come back damaged or you lose them, they continue…

it doesn't have to be funded by the state. you can just "buy" a book off the library. in fact, you could buy the book in a book shop, and the library becomes a swapping center. as long as you bring back books in good condition, and they are in the library catalogue. (the library may not want to take multiple copies of books that are unpopular) of course paying for books up front does affect low income families and us…

Public bookshelf is something that starts to pop up here and there. They are sometimes outdoors, accessible at any time or at the entrance of supermarkets. You take a book that looks interesting, read it and return later. Or just swap with some other book you own. Sometimes there are someone that takes care of the shelf, swapping content from other shelves further away. I often find interesting stuff in our local ones.

Re: Chicago book returns surge 240% after city eliminates fines

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The public libraries in Ireland decided to eliminate fines early this year and it seems to have had the opposite effect. In some cases, people don’t seem to return books at all. I’d placed a hold on a book, a couple of months ago and it looks like the people who’d borrowed the only two copies of the book in the system haven’t returned it in over 8 months now. I‘d initially thought that eliminating fines was a great i…

I don't think you're correct here. In my own (anecdotal) exerience it seems to me that returns are up. In fairness books got lost or borrowers failed to return them before the change to abolish fines as well.

Did you speak to a member of staff and ask for a replacement book to be purchased?

Re: Chicago book returns surge 240% after city eliminates fines

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I think what's being missed in the discussion on HN is the reason CPL eliminated fines. It's not about the money, nor is it about getting the books back. It's to improve access to the library system. CPL did a study of who held the cards with suspended privileges because of late fees, and found out that the vast majority were people in poor neighborhoods, and of those the vast majority were children. Now with the new…

Being poor prevents you from returning books in time.

Re: Chicago book returns surge 240% after city eliminates fines

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I think what's being missed in the discussion on HN is the reason CPL eliminated fines. It's not about the money, nor is it about getting the books back. It's to improve access to the library system. CPL did a study of who held the cards with suspended privileges because of late fees, and found out that the vast majority were people in poor neighborhoods, and of those the vast majority were children. Now with the new…

Being poor prevents you from returning books in time.

Being young means you're less likely to be totally responsible yet. Being poor means you're less likely to have parents that are 100% engaged in your library visits.

Re: Chicago book returns surge 240% after city eliminates fines

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I think what's being missed in the discussion on HN is the reason CPL eliminated fines. It's not about the money, nor is it about getting the books back. It's to improve access to the library system. CPL did a study of who held the cards with suspended privileges because of late fees, and found out that the vast majority were people in poor neighborhoods, and of those the vast majority were children. Now with the new…

So, I'm curious. Did they require that the books be returned in order to open up borrowing again? Like, just, "please bring the books back, we'll disappear the fees and just take 'em back and all is forgiven"? Or did they just... reactivate the accounts and hope that history won't repeat? (Genuinely curious -- the articles I've read on the subject, like this one, are all excited about more library everything, but qui…

My understanding is they just wiped the slate clean. Returning the missing material was not required. But that's based on a radio report I don't remember well, so I could be wrong.

Re: Chicago book returns surge 240% after city eliminates fines

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The public libraries in Ireland decided to eliminate fines early this year and it seems to have had the opposite effect. In some cases, people don’t seem to return books at all. I’d placed a hold on a book, a couple of months ago and it looks like the people who’d borrowed the only two copies of the book in the system haven’t returned it in over 8 months now. I‘d initially thought that eliminating fines was a great i…

You base your opinions on your own individual experience, which proves nothing for the whole system.

Re: Chicago book returns surge 240% after city eliminates fines

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I think what's being missed in the discussion on HN is the reason CPL eliminated fines. It's not about the money, nor is it about getting the books back. It's to improve access to the library system. CPL did a study of who held the cards with suspended privileges because of late fees, and found out that the vast majority were people in poor neighborhoods, and of those the vast majority were children. Now with the new…

thank you. this brought a tear to my eye.

it is the antithesis of the social darwinism that coldly dominates our culture.

Re: Chicago book returns surge 240% after city eliminates fines

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post #94

I think what's being missed in the discussion on HN is the reason CPL eliminated fines. It's not about the money, nor is it about getting the books back. It's to improve access to the library system. CPL did a study of who held the cards with suspended privileges because of late fees, and found out that the vast majority were people in poor neighborhoods, and of those the vast majority were children. Now with the new…

Being poor prevents you from returning books in time.

Being rich enables you to return books as late as you want because the fine means little to you, and certainly not whether you can eat or pay the rent.

Re: Chicago book returns surge 240% after city eliminates fines

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I think what's being missed in the discussion on HN is the reason CPL eliminated fines. It's not about the money, nor is it about getting the books back. It's to improve access to the library system. CPL did a study of who held the cards with suspended privileges because of late fees, and found out that the vast majority were people in poor neighborhoods, and of those the vast majority were children. Now with the new…

Also the Amsterdam Public Library does the same, just for junior cards though. I guess it’s a common scenario

The Santa Cruz (California) City/County Public Library System didn't apply late fees to junior cards as of 15-20 years ago. In all likelihood they still don't.
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