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Re: YouTube suspends Google accounts of Markiplier's viewers for minor emote spam

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Post by fencepost »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #13

The real issue here is that (reportedly) the people who spammed got their GMail accounts shut down. That's outrageous. That's your real-life, not just your online-life. Your GMail account isn't even related at all to your YouTube identity. Remember: if you aren't _at least_ paying for your e-mail service you don't own your own mailbox. When was the last time you made a backup of your GMail account? What contingency p…

Worth noting: I'm not sure about Microsoft's procedures for shutting down an account the way Google did here, but they document what happens if you stop paying for it: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/office365/admin/subscriptio...

Basically it goes through Expired, Disabled, Deprovisioned. During Expired users have access, Disabled only Admins have access, Deprovisioned is gone. Those are usually 30/90 days but it varies by how you purchased.

Not sure about Personal/Home, but I suspect it's similar.

Re: YouTube suspends Google accounts of Markiplier's viewers for minor emote spam

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Post by fencepost »

wlesieutre wrote: post #5
blondin wrote: post #2

oh wow! there must be more backstory to this. finding it hard to believe that whole google accounts got suspended for spamming a youtube video chat!

This is why I avoid as many google properties as possible. Who even knows what actions might get my Gmail account disabled. And when they do, there’s no chance of their support system fixing it. The ban bot decided a rule was violated, and when reviewing its decision the ban bot unsurprisingly decides the same thing on appeal. So no, I’m not going to start shopping with Google Wallet no matter how many coupon offers…

And of course the not-stated-but-there "You can never use an Android phone again, switch to iPhone or a feature phone."

Sure you could create a new Google account and use that with your phone, but Google's going to know it's the same person (same phone number, places where you have to enter your name, same credit card info if you're purchasing any apps on the Play store, same physical location and movement patterns, etc.) and can simply ban you again. You'd like to have Chrome syncing things between a desktop and laptop? Nope nope nope.

Re: YouTube suspends Google accounts of Markiplier's viewers for minor emote spam

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Post by rolph »

"The accounts have already been reinstated. We handled that last night. 2. The whole-account "ban" was a common anti-spam measure we use. The account is disabled until the user verifies a phone number by getting a code in an SMS."

Is g00gle harvesting mobile numbers?

Re: YouTube suspends Google accounts of Markiplier's viewers for minor emote spam

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Post by wlesieutre »

falcolas wrote: post #78
wlesieutre wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, switching to a better email provider is on my to do list, but it’s a big project that I’ll get around to “someday”. Easier to fly under Google’s radar.

I'm sure some of those commenters in the video stream believed the same thing.

They made the critical mistake of touching a second Google product

Re: YouTube suspends Google accounts of Markiplier's viewers for minor emote spam

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Post by colejohnson66 »

root_axis wrote: post #70
l0b0 wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For a large part of the population, losing their email account could be devastating. "Could" is deliberate, because once you lose it you wouldn't even know whether anything important landed in your inbox. Like a personal update from a friend, or some official business you need to respond to within days. Can you imagine trying to remember every single friend, business and government agency which might conceivably cont…

I understand the problems losing access to your email can cause, in fact, I have experienced this exact problem several years ago. It took me 3 weeks to recover my email, and after that experience I switched from gmail to protonmail.

Most people won’t switch until something like this happens to them. We shouldn’t go, “just switch!” because it won’t work. And we definitely shouldn’t go, “screw you if you didn’t switch because you didn’t listen”

Re: YouTube suspends Google accounts of Markiplier's viewers for minor emote spam

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Post by root_axis »

colejohnson66 wrote: post #95
root_axis wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand the problems losing access to your email can cause, in fact, I have experienced this exact problem several years ago. It took me 3 weeks to recover my email, and after that experience I switched from gmail to protonmail.

Most people won’t switch until something like this happens to them. We shouldn’t go, “just switch!” because it won’t work. And we definitely shouldn’t go, “screw you if you didn’t switch because you didn’t listen”

Yeah, the reason most people don't switch is because it doesn't happen to most people, ever. If you don't like a company's service you switch to a different one, that's how capitalism works, especially services you pay nothing to use.

Re: YouTube suspends Google accounts of Markiplier's viewers for minor emote spam

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Post by tripzilch »

wdr1 wrote: post #72
chr1 wrote: post #21

I wish lawmakers instead of spending time on misguided cookie banner laws, spent more time on things like this. Behavior like this is completely unacceptable, it is equivalent to store owner throwing you out because he thought your hair are red. People whose accounts are being suspended without warning, without explanation, and without a way to appeal, like in this case, should be able to sue the company for a large…

> Behavior like this is completely unacceptable This comment gives a lot more context: https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/dtr6gi/youtube_susp... IMHO, it seems a lot more reasonable.

Doesn't seem reasonable at all?! Youtube's response is, at the most charitable, being dishonest in this post. They're directly contradicting the video evidence and screenshots. They blatantly directly LIE that the accounts have been reinstated when many have not. It's about as unreasonable as it gets, a corporate communication non-answer would have been more reasonable than straight up lying.

Also, if you're running a service that's grown too large for you to properly manage (which clearly is happening, even to Google), then if you fuck it up, that's still on you! There's no fundamental right to build a really large thing, if you can't manage it properly. So they thought they could get around this limitation with AI and robots, but that doesn't work well at all. That doesn't mean you can go "oh well we're trying, but there's just too many videos being posted!" yeah well DUH that's because you keep on growing while not having the resources to keep up with the videos being posted.

It's like I built a skyscraper but people keep getting hurt in it cause bits are falling off and the floors aren't strong enough. I can't just go: yeah I built this huge skyscraper and I really TRIED reinforcing the floors with duct tape but it just doesn't work well enough. There's really nothing I can do, there's just too many floors, we're doing the best we can and it's unavoidable that some people will (literally) fall through he cracks.

That's not reasonable, I probably just should give up on the skyscraper or sell it to someone who can take responsibility for it.

Re: YouTube suspends Google accounts of Markiplier's viewers for minor emote spam

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Post by [deleted] »

chr1 wrote: post #28
throwaway2048 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is why its baffling to me that lots of people who are deadly afraid of government tyranny are completely ok with privately owned tyranny (even monopolistic kinds)

Government tyranny is a far greater danger because government can use force in the form of army and police, and when established it effectively owns everything else in the country. The privately owned tyranny has much less power, and when it becomes bad, government can intervene. So while no tyranny is ok, government deserves much more attention, because it is the more powerful tool, that needs to be protected much m…

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Re: YouTube suspends Google accounts of Markiplier's viewers for minor emote spam

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Post by tripzilch »

chr1 wrote: post #28
throwaway2048 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is why its baffling to me that lots of people who are deadly afraid of government tyranny are completely ok with privately owned tyranny (even monopolistic kinds)

Government tyranny is a far greater danger because government can use force in the form of army and police, and when established it effectively owns everything else in the country. The privately owned tyranny has much less power, and when it becomes bad, government can intervene. So while no tyranny is ok, government deserves much more attention, because it is the more powerful tool, that needs to be protected much m…

Some of these private multinational corporations are easily more powerful than some smaller governments.

Let's just agree that both can grow bad. It's just that clearly, governments+people can grow a LOT bigger (in absolute number of people) than a corporation, before it generally goes bad.

None of the largest corporations are really trustworthy, and neither are the largest countries stellar examples of good governing. The difference, however, is an order of magnitude more people being "managed". Apparently Google (Alphabet) employs about 100,000 people, most of them subjects not rulers. That's just a very small city or large town.

If we compare this to a small-medium sized country with a reasonably well-working economy, the difference becomes laughable: The corporation is a much, much, smaller group of people, with a disproportionally unwieldy huge amount of power, completely unable to control themselves and behave in an ethical manner. It's pathetic. YES they absolutely need a government to regulate them just like a baby needs someone to change their diapers.

Re: YouTube suspends Google accounts of Markiplier's viewers for minor emote spam

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Post by tripzilch »

rolph wrote: post #93

"The accounts have already been reinstated. We handled that last night. 2. The whole-account "ban" was a common anti-spam measure we use. The account is disabled until the user verifies a phone number by getting a code in an SMS." Is g00gle harvesting mobile numbers?

1. Yes obviously

2. They are lying through their teeth about the accounts being reinstated (many have not been), as well about the SMS thing, given that the video shows actual screenshots of people being denied having their accounts reinstated, so obviously that SMS thing doesn't work at all as they claim it should.

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