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U.S. opens a national security review of TikTok’s acquisition of Musical.ly

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Re: U.S. opens a national security review of TikTok’s acquisition of Musical.ly

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is an area where both the right and left can find agreement.

Doesn't 1 side support globalism politically though?

"Both sides" have anti-globalists, and both have globalists, and despite an interesting few years globalism is still the establishment norm for most mainline parties in liberal democracies.

Re: U.S. opens a national security review of TikTok’s acquisition of Musical.ly

#92
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I'll never understand why (a) Vine was shut down, and (b) So many Americans are eager to rush out and use a Chinese social network. I suspect (b) can be explained primarily through ignorance.

A huge swath of the consumer market in physical products is Chinese goods. Why would your average nontechnical, fairly apolitical, non-foreign policy or intelligence news following person draw a distinction? They see a fun app, they play with it. If they're even aware of censorship issues or geopolitical power games, that seems very distant from some app that amuses them for a few minutes a day.

This so much. Few consumers know this fact, and fewer care.

Everyone knows the stuff they buy is manufactured in China, and the old timers holding weird grudges from the 1970s are long gone.

There is no economic incentive for anyone to bring this up at any time during any transaction.

Re: U.S. opens a national security review of TikTok’s acquisition of Musical.ly

#93

The censorship argument against TikTok seems odd given that Trump supporters are a prominent voice on the platform (I'm a huge TikTok user). Wouldn't its Chinese masters want to silence support for him as well? Why haven't they? To be clear, I don't like the idea of foreign state controlled major social platforms opaque to US oversight. I'm commenting specifically on the argument that TikTok silences Hong Kong suppor…

> Trump supporters are a prominent voice on the platform

Not necessarily, the algorithm shows you things you are interested in. I see China, Golden Retrievers and various songs I like. You see Trump because your eyeballs got locked on the screen. So you will see more Trump.

Re: U.S. opens a national security review of TikTok’s acquisition of Musical.ly

#94

I would support a wholesale ban on Chinese acquisitions of American companies until American companies are allowed to acquire Chinese companies (or otherwise operate in China). These ridiculous double standards from China are not free trade, and we should stop pretending it is.

It's a shame that anonymous cowards have little say on public policy...

Re: U.S. opens a national security review of TikTok’s acquisition of Musical.ly

#95

TikTok is actually a great app. When I was a kid in the 00's my friends and I used to carry around a video camera to make music videos. With TikTok you can do it with your cell phone. They beat SnapChat, FB and Instagram on experience. Censorship is something serious to consider, but these are mainly kids making music videos. They aren't using it to organize campaigns.

> these are mainly kids making music videos. They aren't using it to organize campaigns.

I think that's a dangerously naive interpretation of the platform (or any platform really), particularly when it involves children and young adult minds.

Re: U.S. opens a national security review of TikTok’s acquisition of Musical.ly

#96
post #85
post #19

I highly recommend folks listen to recent episodes of Ben Thompson’s exponent podcast where he discusses TikTok and its influence in the USA. He makes the point that US consumers become subject to Chinese censorship policies when using the platform while China outright bans or heavily restricts American companies from operating (eg google search, Facebook).

I mean, as a Canadian consumer using American social media platforms, we're subject to American censorship policies. Tumblr / Facebook / YouTube being most notable in their filtering of LGBT content and suspending accounts of LGBT users, because of the American governments stance on human sexuality. This argument of who censors makes sense for Americans, but it's more about picking your poison for people from other c…

What are you referring to, exactly? There certainly is no enforceable law in the United States against LGBT content. There theoretically are restrictions on "obscenity," but they are virtually nonexistent in practice. The only law I can think of that resembles what you're describing in any way is our, indeed, quite aggressive ban on child pornography. And I'm no expert on Canadian child pornography laws, but I'll bet Canada isn't too friendly to that content either.

The theoretical point is true enough, that American content restrictions would generally wind up being exported abroad. The key difference is, however, that we do not actually have Chinese-style content restrictions.

Re: U.S. opens a national security review of TikTok’s acquisition of Musical.ly

#97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s the point here though? America et al also don’t like certain things being published on social media and try stop it from existing on those platforms too.

Do you have an example? The only things I can think of are illegal (like child porn) which everyone should be able to agree should be banned.

Europe is much more relaxed about nudity (exposed breasts in prime time TV are fine) but much more restrictive about violence and gore. Instead US companies enforce US standards on us.

Even child porn isn't an easy subject. Everyone can agree that liking 12 year olds sexually is pedophilia and images about that are child porn. But when we are taking about 16 year olds it's muddier since we are taking about child porn outside of pedophilia.

And that's just (north western) Europe who are culturally very similar to the US.

Re: U.S. opens a national security review of TikTok’s acquisition of Musical.ly

#100

YouTube: That's a nice video streaming business you got there TikTok. A shame if anything ever happened to it.

YouTube isn't hip enough to take away TikTok market share in any worthwhile amount.

There are a few US companies that might, but Google isn't going to be it. Social sharing isn't in Google's blood, and they've never succeeded before with their $1,000,000,000+ spent on attempts.

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