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Google chief: I'd disclose smart speakers before guests enter my home

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Re: Google chief: I'd disclose smart speakers before guests enter my home

#91
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Not really, in many places you're not allowed to record conversations you're not actively engaging in, even on private property.

Can you give an example of those places?

Germany's Criminal Code, Section 201 Violation of the Confidentiality of the Spoken Word [0]:

Punished with imprisonment up to three years or a fine, just the attempt is already punishable.

[0] https://germanlawarchive.iuscomp.org/?p=752#201

Re: Google chief: I'd disclose smart speakers before guests enter my home

#93
post #73

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Google has implemented this asshole design/nagware in many products to push unnecessary to me and invasive data collection or functionality I want won’t be available. For example, their maps app on iOS won’t save locations for me unless I sign in an enable web history tracking. I get prompted every time I try to save a pin as well as every once in a while I’m case I change my mind. It’s a free app and it’s Google’s p…

That kind of user-hostile bullshit is why I avoid anything and everything associated with Google. Still use search, but trying to break that habit.

I gotta be that guy and recommend DuckDuckGo. No, it's not always as good as Google search, but it's still usually good enough and when you -really- need Google you can simply add "g!". Every other time, you can rest assured your searches aren't feeding some AI.

DDG is at least a reasonable way to ween yourself off Google search rather than needing to go full cold turkey.

Re: Google chief: I'd disclose smart speakers before guests enter my home

#94
post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google has implemented this asshole design/nagware in many products to push unnecessary to me and invasive data collection or functionality I want won’t be available. For example, their maps app on iOS won’t save locations for me unless I sign in an enable web history tracking. I get prompted every time I try to save a pin as well as every once in a while I’m case I change my mind. It’s a free app and it’s Google’s p…

That kind of user-hostile bullshit is why I avoid anything and everything associated with Google. Still use search, but trying to break that habit.

If you use duckduckgo, in the situations in which you think the results are inadequate you can fall back on google by appending !g to the end of your search.

Re: Google chief: I'd disclose smart speakers before guests enter my home

#95
post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google has implemented this asshole design/nagware in many products to push unnecessary to me and invasive data collection or functionality I want won’t be available. For example, their maps app on iOS won’t save locations for me unless I sign in an enable web history tracking. I get prompted every time I try to save a pin as well as every once in a while I’m case I change my mind. It’s a free app and it’s Google’s p…

That kind of user-hostile bullshit is why I avoid anything and everything associated with Google. Still use search, but trying to break that habit.

I moved to DuckDuckGo and I'm not going to lie, I hate it. I've been using it almost exclusively for a few months now and what it has definitely done is lower my impulse to search for things. Perhaps that is what you are after, in which case definitely try it.

Re: Google chief: I'd disclose smart speakers before guests enter my home

#96
post #42

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It's the wild west -- corporations are just doing what they want while governments are asleep at the wheel. Also, having an army of lawyers is exactly what allows for this -- you need to know which areas are gray in order to exploit them without risk of retribution/regulation. A basic minutes-long conversation would have likely arrived at the point of how recording of the owner themselves/third parties would affect t…

> corporations are just doing what they want while governments are asleep at the wheel. That assumes the governments aren't in on it. They probably want the data more than the corporations. I mean, you know, "security" and all.

>That assumes the governments aren't in on it.

My theory is the opposite.

Career politicians have a lot to lose from universal data collection. They are already running into issues caused by 5-year-old tweets; imagine if their whole digital history was leaked? This is the one silver lining regarding legislation prospects.

Re: Google chief: I'd disclose smart speakers before guests enter my home

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Why are you carving out Android instead of all smartphones? Also, you can turn off OK google in Android, although they don't make it as easy as they should.

What is actually the correct way to do this? I don't use Android myself (I use https://ubports.com/ - it's great and you should try it), but several times I've had other people ask me to turn it off, and the best I can come up with is just dragging the Google search box off the home screen. But there's no feedback to suggest it's not still listening , only that shouting "OK GOOGLE" at the phone no longer does anythin…

Flashing it with something that has no google services is the most correct way to make sure you are not being spied on.

Re: Google chief: I'd disclose smart speakers before guests enter my home

#99
post #33

How is this even legal if wiretapping is illegal in many places?

I don't think there's anywhere where it's illegal to record conversations of both parties know about it.

Where I live this is illegal. Unless you mean when both parties actively consent to it, which in this case is not happening.

Re: Google chief: I'd disclose smart speakers before guests enter my home

#100
FWIW, I'm living a Google-free live now, and it works very well:

- DuckDuckGo as default search engine

- Own domain for email, forwarded to Apple's mail

- Apple map, Yandex map, Waze, Here WeGo for maps (depending on the country)

- For videos, I search them in DDG with " !yt", then copy the links I want and download them with `youtube-dl`

- Firefox and Safari

- Zoho as a replacement for online docs and spreadsheets

etc.

EDIT to add: I should say that I try to live Google-free...

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