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Building China's Comac C919 airplane involved a lot of hacking, report says

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Re: Building China's Comac C919 airplane involved a lot of hacking, report says

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Post by aclsid »

wolco wrote: post #25
ucha wrote: post #22

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China managed to quite quickly absorb the technology transfer from Alstom/Siemens to build high-speed trains. Now their trains are better than anyone else's and they have more high-speed rails than any other country. They even managed to beat competitors and export their trains to Turkey and Argentina... I have no doubt their airplane will ultimately be successful.

But will China be able to make the next leap on their own? It's one thing to copy but another to come up with the design on the first place.

Didn't you see the news they are making a 1000Kph train?

Re: Building China's Comac C919 airplane involved a lot of hacking, report says

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Post by aclsid »

stupidcar wrote: post #15
nicoburns wrote: post #7

I would like to challenge anyone who's immediate response to this is "China are always stealing our intellectual property" to stop, and really consider whether IP laws are providing a net benefit here. Sure they provide an incentive to innovate, but they also actively prevent others from innovating. This technology will now be available to many more people, and can now be built on and developed. It's a very capitalis…

By "different principles", you presumably mean totally in the service of an autocratic, hegemonistic nation bent on the brutal oppression its own citizens and its rise to become an unchallengeable global power able to curtail the social, political and human rights of anybody, anywhere on Earth, who it deems an enemy?

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Re: Building China's Comac C919 airplane involved a lot of hacking, report says

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Post by trevyn »

kwizzt wrote: post #36
hnaccy wrote: post #10

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Why should you care about net benefit when you're dealing with a geopolitical rival? Sports teams aren't happy when scored on because the total score went up.

Maybe bad if you look from the perspective of a single team. However, if the overall techniques and qualities of sports teams went up, it can lead to more interesting matches and innovation.

I think I’ll decline the “more interesting” arms race, though.

Re: Building China's Comac C919 airplane involved a lot of hacking, report says

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Post by aclsid »

khuey wrote: post #53
DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #42

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These sorts of comments are what make most online discussions about China seem so out of touch. If I told you that most people in China generally support the government and don't feel oppressed by it, how would that affect your worldview? Most people in China are primarily concerned with improving their standard of living. For hundreds of millions of people, that standard has improved more than you can probably imagi…

For fairly obvious reasons, "look the other way at the government's indiscretions in exchange for raising per-capita GDP to ~10k USD" isn't an appealing bargain for anyone in the developed world.

that seemed to worked well for Saudi Arabia, a country which has far more human right abuses and you never see the kind of propaganda we are seeing against the Chinese.

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Post by yupolerist »

president wrote: post #38
GhettoMaestro wrote: post #35

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Lol come on. You know what will happen. You just don’t want to say it out loud. Edit: To be clear.... less Chinese will be allowed into the United States given the threat. Light the comments up my lads.

Internment like in WW2? Probably not. Pretty sure the only viable way would be to enact laws to enforce extremely stringent eligibility requirements on foreign students/workers.

Maybe a Chinese Exclusion Act 2.0?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_Act

Re: Building China's Comac C919 airplane involved a lot of hacking, report says

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Post by yupolerist »

president wrote: post #55
z2 wrote: post #49

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I'm confused by your main point. Do you mean, as opposed to other foreign workers and students on temporary work/student visas, who can somehow migrate their friends and family over and therefore be subject to less coercion?

No, I was pointing out that China is unique in that they would have no moral qualms in coercing their citizens abroad using violence. I'm sure my coworkers from the EU probably don't ever have to worry about being in a situation where they would have to choose between spying or hurting their family.

Doesn’t Russia also threaten and coerce family members?

Re: Building China's Comac C919 airplane involved a lot of hacking, report says

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Post by yupolerist »

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #80
khuey wrote: post #53

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For fairly obvious reasons, "look the other way at the government's indiscretions in exchange for raising per-capita GDP to ~10k USD" isn't an appealing bargain for anyone in the developed world.

We're not talking about the developed world. We're talking about a country whose GDP/capita was $300 just 30 years ago. For citizens of that country, increasing GDP/capita to $10k (a factor of 30) and looking the other way on various political issues is an appealing bargain. It doesn't take that much imagination to empathize with that view, which in my experience is shared by many (I'd say most) Chinese people. It co…

In a way, it’s a type of “first world privilege.”

It’s often inconceivable for them to understand because their life experiences are just so different. Ask anyone from a poor nation about China, and while they may dislike the government, they also talk with admiration at how many people were lifted out of poverty.

Re: Building China's Comac C919 airplane involved a lot of hacking, report says

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Post by freyr »

aclsid wrote: post #89
Aperocky wrote: post #43

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Moles are not unique to China, it just happens that China currently happens to be the enemy. Most people whether immigrant or not just want to get the work done and go home.

As a non-US nor Chinese national, I find it interesting how the US keeps creating these artificial enemies. Of course the Chinese are not pro-America but they are very much self-contained and just interested in making money. Aside from internal old and new revolutions, China have also had a long history of not invading other countries. I can understand that the US feels threatened by the massive competition created o…

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