Iraq introduces nightly internet curfew • Hacker News Board

Re: Iraq introduces nightly internet curfew

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Post by boomboomsubban » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 2:21 PM UTC

alexandercrohde wrote: post #85

emptyfile wrote: post #8

2019-10-09 https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/10/iraq-protests-latest-... >At least 110 people have been killed and more than 6,000 wounded in Baghdad and in the south, since security forces started cracking down on demonstrators. And the whole world is "outraged" about HK. Here on this thread the other posters are making jokes. If they killed every single person in the country no one would give a shit. Same way no…

>> If they killed every single person in the country no one would give a shit. Same way no one gives a shit about Yemen. What's your point exactly? Is it that human nature is broken, and that we should try to compensate for it [by trying to force ourselves to care more] ? (Because I wonder how many atrocities there are in the world, and how that scales if every internet stranger needs to be angry about every atrocity…

We should address the atrocities we are responsible for and try not to repeat them before getting outraged over the acts of others.

Re: Iraq introduces nightly internet curfew

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Post by freeflight » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 2:21 PM UTC

flyGuyOnTheSly wrote: post #89

freeflight wrote: post #82

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Canada is part of FiveEyes, thus aid was offered [0] and very likely taken. The lack of Canadian large scale military participation was due to practicality and not moral objections to the invasion [1]: "The weakness of the Canadian military had been a factor in its very limited role in the 1991 Gulf War. While the military had been asked about the feasibility of sending 4 Canadian Mechanized Brigade Group (4 CMBG) fr…

Again, I was not in the military in the early 90s. I have no connection to Iraq personally. I do not collectively harbor guilt and constantly stress about the horrible things that the country I choose to reside in has done in their past. I have Hong Kong products in my house, and I interact with people who were born in Hong Kong all the time. The same cannot be said for Iraqi products or people. That is the point I a…

As a German, I consider that a very weird stance to have.

I try to keep up with the military involvement of my country, I'd guess other people in other countries would do the same.

Tho I guess in contrast to you I actually get to interact with a whole bunch of Iraqis, Afghanis, Syrians, and other nationalities out of the MENA region.

People out of HK are a rather non-existing sight at the local refugee reception center.

Re: Iraq introduces nightly internet curfew

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Post by catalogia » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 2:23 PM UTC

yohsii wrote: post #84

flyGuyOnTheSly wrote: post #72

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I am a polish immigrant living in Canada. "My people" didn't do anything to Iraq.

> It's not strange that North America doesn't care much about Iraqi plight, as we have next to no relationship with them or their people. > I am Canadian. > I am a polish immigrant living in Canada. you're North American, Canadian then you're Polish. just pick one. in the first example, you were speaking as if you're an American and others are right to point out that America does have some responsibilities regarding…

North American != American.

For that matter, many in Central and South America take exception to the term "American" being applied to USA citizens. So the term "American" can in some contexts be ambiguous. However "North American" is unambiguously referring to residents of any country in North America. It's wholly reasonable for somebody living in Canada to speak of living in North America. Arguably Canadians and Alaskans have more of a right to the term than anybody else!

Re: Iraq introduces nightly internet curfew

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Post by throwaway66920 » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 2:26 PM UTC

avocado4 wrote: post #90

throwaway66920 wrote: post #60

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I’m pretty naive to the Middle East, but the primary reason people are protesting is lack of economic opportunity (Iraq specifically), right? Is that someone’s fault? Can it actually be changed? I don’t want people to be killed for protesting, but I don’t know if I care if that protest is successful or not. I’m open to ideas why I should. It sounds like a bunch of people are protesting that their country and has few…

Protesters are burning Iranian flags.

And I think I understand that’s because they’ve elected an Iranian favoring government which they believe is causing limited economic opportunities- or perhaps anger at the government due to its violent response to generic economic protests.

My question is, why should I care if the protests are successful or not? It’s a separate idea from wanting protestors to receive humane treatment from the government.

Re: Iraq introduces nightly internet curfew

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Post by ChristianBundy » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 2:32 PM UTC

owl57 wrote: post #18

mFixman wrote: post #16

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I think this is the most HN comment ever read. And no, having an Internet curfew for preventing bloody protests won't improve the well-being of citizens.

Depends on whether it's successful in preventing bloody protests. Almost everything is better than war.

The best way to prevent protests is to stop doing things that your constituents want to protest.

Re: Iraq introduces nightly internet curfew

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Post by pradn » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 2:33 PM UTC

cscurmudgeon wrote: post #64

lozf wrote: post #54

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Remember that Kashmir is still under 24h curfew, with no Internet / International calls since 5th August.

Remember that Pakistan is still an Islamic republic and recently blocked a bill that will allow non Muslims to become PM or President. https://www.news18.com/news/world/pak-parliament-blocks-chri... The world did not care.

Yes, both things are bad and should be reported.

Re: Iraq introduces nightly internet curfew

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Post by JoeAltmaier » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 2:35 PM UTC

ChristianBundy wrote: post #95

owl57 wrote: post #18

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Depends on whether it's successful in preventing bloody protests. Almost everything is better than war.

The best way to prevent protests is to stop doing things that your constituents want to protest.

If only! In America, there's a culture of 'fun protesting' where you wave signs about things you don't know about. Like your parents did in the 60's, but now just for a lark.

Re: Iraq introduces nightly internet curfew

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Post by j8014 » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 2:37 PM UTC

thewholeview wrote: post #70

Erlich_Bachman wrote: post #44

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Isn't it logical (or at least understandable) to care more about the people who share the same cultural values and historical bagage than about other cultures which are harder to understand and relate to? Why should people care equally much about every single culture on earth, regardless of how much it relates to their own situation and life?

The problem that us Chinese see is the level of hypocrisy at play here. The narrative on the entire HK suppose is in the name of freedom and evil of China and thus democracy must be the solution. Iraq has been "liberated" with democracy and yet the outcry is not an issue. I make no judgment on the merits of democracy, but if the West continues to play the propaganda narrative behind a fear of threat it is hard to jus…

The West does not act and think in a collective, we are used to opposing views and have zero issue with publicly decrying the actions of our very own governments and removing those from power. The Western people do not act and think in lock step with their respective governments. The issues that individuals and groups of people in the West value can be VERY different from our governments national security interests and also VERY different from even our own neighbors.

I do judge the Chinese government and their self proclaimed leader. I feel bad for the billion people of China who are unable to have free and open public discourse about their own governments actions, to hold and remove those in power peacefully and to be unable to find some sort of representation.

I think HK should continue its protests so that every individual and voice in the "West" can focus and view the shameful acts of the Chinese government.

Re: Iraq introduces nightly internet curfew

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Post by hnhg » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 2:39 PM UTC

cscurmudgeon wrote: post #64

lozf wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remember that Kashmir is still under 24h curfew, with no Internet / International calls since 5th August.

Remember that Pakistan is still an Islamic republic and recently blocked a bill that will allow non Muslims to become PM or President. https://www.news18.com/news/world/pak-parliament-blocks-chri... The world did not care.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Re: Iraq introduces nightly internet curfew

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Post by bobwaycott » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 2:41 PM UTC

trenning wrote: post #78

emptyfile wrote: post #8

2019-10-09 https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/10/iraq-protests-latest-... >At least 110 people have been killed and more than 6,000 wounded in Baghdad and in the south, since security forces started cracking down on demonstrators. And the whole world is "outraged" about HK. Here on this thread the other posters are making jokes. If they killed every single person in the country no one would give a shit. Same way no…

You yourself neglect to acknowledge there's also civil war kicking off in Ecuador right now. People outside conflict areas only start to give a shit when it affects something they care about personally.

How did they neglect to acknowledge? They did not mention it in their examples, but framing that as non-acknowledgment seems quite wrong. There’s a lot of terrible shit happening across the globe. One cannot reasonably expect every instance of that to be exhaustively mentioned every time a person mentions a couple of examples.