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The NBA Feels a Backlash in China After a Tweet Supporting Hong Kong

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Re: The NBA Feels a Backlash in China After a Tweet Supporting Hong Kong

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Post by cannadhopefu1 »

bhy wrote: post #76
cannadhopefu wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> government is more involved with everything in China There lies in the difference. In Spain, it would be the people demanding it. In China, its the authoritative government that is not only demanding but also threatening. Its not quite apples to apples.

How do you know that? How many Chinese people have you talked with?

I don't need to talk to Chinese people to know that China is an authoritative government and that Tencent was ordered to stop streaming Rocket games by the government.

Re: The NBA Feels a Backlash in China After a Tweet Supporting Hong Kong

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Post by cannadhopefu1 »

bhy wrote: post #88
supercanuck wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it is not democratically elected.

That's not logical. Democratic or not is an unrelated issue. The people can still be patriot on this matter.

Democratic means the government is voted by the people and represents the people. Authoritative means its not.

People can be patriotic on this matter, but it still doesn't represent all the people.

Re: The NBA Feels a Backlash in China After a Tweet Supporting Hong Kong

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Post by chadcmulligan »

brokensegue wrote: post #83
chadcmulligan wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that to is up to the people of HK, if thats what it takes

by that argument everything is always "up the people". "well if they don't like $X they can always revolt." revolt isn't a very flexible means of expressing the wills of the people.

But if the people in power use force to prevent a legitimate discussion then the only avenue left is revolution. There is no legitimate way for the people to involve in discussion, the HK protesters want democracy, the Chinese government doesn't. What alternative do the HK citizens have apart from not be part of China?

Edit: further there is no way to express dissent in China, the HKers are taking their life in their hands by expressing dissent. I can think of no time this happens in the west.

Re: The NBA Feels a Backlash in China After a Tweet Supporting Hong Kong

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Post by Hasknewbie »

saboot wrote: post #7

I am surprisingly conflicted. My strongest urge is to plainly say, screw them. China is a dictatorship, they are actively stomping out freedoms which I very much believe everyone living person had a right to. If they can't stand hearing the truth, fine, no NBA in China. In the back of my mind, I also recognize that isolation and division breeds more isolation and division. No NBA in China means less Western and Easte…

All major Hollywood movie studios pro-actively doctor their scripts to make them China-compliant, and you think basketball is somehow going to do better?

On a related note, this thread went from #6 on the front page to #105 (as of right now) in mere minutes. Maybe the mods, who are quite willing to pop in and tell people off whenever someone mentions astroturfing or censorship, would like to explain how a very recent thread with high upvote and comment count can sink so fast all by itself? It's not like users can downvote threads on HN. Threads mentioning China in a bad light tend to de-rank at astronomical speed, for some mysterious reason...

Re: The NBA Feels a Backlash in China After a Tweet Supporting Hong Kong

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Post by dirtyid »

Analemma_ wrote: post #21
blondie9x wrote: post #16

Why can't Hong Kong just vote then we can end these protests? The people could vote for a leader who wants closer ties and one who wants more autonomy but let them vote and have a say in the matter. I do not think voting will lead to secession but maybe to a sense of freedom and the ability to influence direction of country.

China will not allow real democracy in Hong Kong under any circumstances. They take this so seriously that when Britain proposed democratic self-rule in HK in the 60's (in keeping with the democratization of their other colonies at the time), China said they would invade immediately if that happened, and the idea was scrapped.

>Britain proposed democratic self-rule in HK in the 60's

This is a false narrative originally perpetuated by VJMedia.hk, pro-democracy activists in League of Social Democrat that managed to gain traction on English internet via QZ. The primary sources (FCO40/327 and the Thatcher memo) used to substantiate these claims has nothing to do with democratic reforms but UK seeking HK sovereignty as a self-governing dominion like Singapore (not just democratic reforms) as an alternative to handover because it would stabilize investor fears - the concerns were purely economic. Obviously China would reject this proposal which basically tried to circumvent handover by making HK dejure independent in 1997. The reason why UK/Patten introduced some democratic reforms near handover was a last minute effort to maintain some political and economic influence over the colony. There was never any effort in the 60s to grant HK democracy within the context of Extension of Hong Kong Territory lease - they asked for sovereignty which was never an option - and what little that was given was a last minute geopolitical power play.

Re: The NBA Feels a Backlash in China After a Tweet Supporting Hong Kong

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Post by rumanator »

bhy wrote: post #76
cannadhopefu wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> government is more involved with everything in China There lies in the difference. In Spain, it would be the people demanding it. In China, its the authoritative government that is not only demanding but also threatening. Its not quite apples to apples.

How do you know that? How many Chinese people have you talked with?

> How do you know that? How many Chinese people have you talked with?

Do the Hong Hong people count?

How about Tibetan people? Or the sadly famous Uyghur?

And does Taiwan has a say as well?

Re: The NBA Feels a Backlash in China After a Tweet Supporting Hong Kong

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Post by dirtyid »

Hasknewbie wrote: post #95
saboot wrote: post #7

I am surprisingly conflicted. My strongest urge is to plainly say, screw them. China is a dictatorship, they are actively stomping out freedoms which I very much believe everyone living person had a right to. If they can't stand hearing the truth, fine, no NBA in China. In the back of my mind, I also recognize that isolation and division breeds more isolation and division. No NBA in China means less Western and Easte…

All major Hollywood movie studios pro-actively doctor their scripts to make them China-compliant, and you think basketball is somehow going to do better? On a related note, this thread went from #6 on the front page to #105 (as of right now) in mere minutes. Maybe the mods, who are quite willing to pop in and tell people off whenever someone mentions astroturfing or censorship, would like to explain how a very recent…

There's a flamewar detector that gets triggered usually through chat behavior which leads to thread suppression, i.e. upvote to comment ratio, maybe the level of toxicity in comments according to number of controversial down-voted comments.
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