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Re: Drilling open a smart door lock in 4 seconds

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Post by asjw »

nitwit005 wrote: post #31
JohnFen wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Isn't the point of a lock just to keep honest people honest? No. Honest people don't need to be "kept honest". Locks have the same purpose as other security systems (including electronic ones like crypto, etc.). They aren't intended to (and can't) keep a determined attacker out. What they do is increase the cost (in terms of time, effort, risk, etc.) of gaining access. The point is -- as far as possible -- to make…

Essentially everyone has stolen at some point in their lives, and almost everyone has gone into private property they theoretically shouldn't have gone into. My door has a lock, but must adults could get in by kicking it a few times with determination. That's true of most locks in existence. They're there to stop people who don't actually want to cause any real damage.

Stealing a pen at the supermarket or entering the neighborhood's garden qualify as being a kid doing stupid stuff

Breaking into someone else's house with the intent of stealing it's something completely different

Re: Drilling open a smart door lock in 4 seconds

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Post by tallanvor »

nextlevelwizard wrote: post #65
nitwit005 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Essentially everyone has stolen at some point in their lives, and almost everyone has gone into private property they theoretically shouldn't have gone into. My door has a lock, but must adults could get in by kicking it a few times with determination. That's true of most locks in existence. They're there to stop people who don't actually want to cause any real damage.

>That's true of most locks in existence. Freaking American's and their "inward opening doors". Good luck kicking in any door in civilized countries in which doors open outwards.

Eh? Inward opening doors are common everywhere I've been. US, Britain, Norway, Germany, etc. For apartment buildings, the outer door might be outward opening, but after that everything is inward opening.

Re: Drilling open a smart door lock in 4 seconds

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Post by _carl_jung »

csomar wrote: post #79
culturestate wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think they’re suggesting that everyone on earth has purposefully become a thief at one point, but that sometimes it just happens. I’ve definitely walked out of a supermarket with a bottle of water that I picked up while shopping and forgot to pay for - I still stole it, even if unintentionally.

> I’ve definitely walked out of a supermarket with a bottle of water that I picked up while shopping and forgot to pay for - I still stole it, even if unintentionally. You only steal it if you realize it and don't return back to pay. Happened with me a few times, the cashiers will really appreciate it.

I did this with an entire rucksack full of groceries once when I was tired and used the self-checkout. When I came back the cashiers expressed surprise that I even did!

Re: Drilling open a smart door lock in 4 seconds

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Post by benj111 »

swish_bob wrote: post #82
benj111 wrote: post #77

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It still isnt clear to me that at this level that locking your door is a win. If they break in you still have to pay to repair the damage and the things they've taken. I'm fairly certain, if someone broke into my house, the biggest bill would be repairs, not replacements.

Your household insurance might well refuse to pay out if there isn't evidence of forced entry. That's a fairly sizeable variation in the cost of being broken into ...

Maybe, I probably wouldn't try to claim on the insurance though. My most expensive to replace thing is probably my cd collection, which as far as I'm aware thieves don't go for, my tv is small cheap and unbranded, my laptop is ancient and the battery is knackered. I suspect the most fence-able possession I've got is a Kitchenaid mixer.

The only reason I even have contents insurance is because it comes with the buildings insurance.

Re: Drilling open a smart door lock in 4 seconds

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Post by djmips »

nextlevelwizard wrote: post #65
nitwit005 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Essentially everyone has stolen at some point in their lives, and almost everyone has gone into private property they theoretically shouldn't have gone into. My door has a lock, but must adults could get in by kicking it a few times with determination. That's true of most locks in existence. They're there to stop people who don't actually want to cause any real damage.

>That's true of most locks in existence. Freaking American's and their "inward opening doors". Good luck kicking in any door in civilized countries in which doors open outwards.

Inward opening doors are also less safe when a bunch of people have to escape quickly.

Re: Drilling open a smart door lock in 4 seconds

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Post by jmnicolas »

GreenJelloShot wrote: post #8

Isn't the point of a lock just to keep honest people honest? I mean you can buy the world's sturdiest, more secure lock and attach it to the world's strongest door, someone with a hammer can easily break a window. If someone is determined and willing, there really is nothing you can do to stop them from breaking into your house.

After a break-in I had the most disheartening conversation with the Police :

- put an alarm : they're either too fast to care or they deactivate it

- get a dog : they poison it

- bullet proof door + security lock : they break the wall

etc

Re: Drilling open a smart door lock in 4 seconds

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Post by swish_bob »

benj111 wrote: post #94
swish_bob wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your household insurance might well refuse to pay out if there isn't evidence of forced entry. That's a fairly sizeable variation in the cost of being broken into ...

Maybe, I probably wouldn't try to claim on the insurance though. My most expensive to replace thing is probably my cd collection, which as far as I'm aware thieves don't go for, my tv is small cheap and unbranded, my laptop is ancient and the battery is knackered. I suspect the most fence-able possession I've got is a Kitchenaid mixer. The only reason I even have contents insurance is because it comes with the buildi…

Ironically, perhaps, the case I was thinking of when I wrote the comment was my friend's insurance refusing to pay out on his CD collection being stolen because there was no sign of forced entry (he'd left the patio doors unlocked).

This was a number of years ago though, whether thieves still take CDs is an interesting question.

Re: Drilling open a smart door lock in 4 seconds

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Post by aivisol »

zaarn wrote: post #96

Tbh with smart locks I'd be more interested in the lock detecting a break-in or destruction of the door mechanism, so it could for example call the police if someone smashes in the door.

You don't need a smart lock for that IMHO. Any house alarm usually can detect intrusion.

Re: Drilling open a smart door lock in 4 seconds

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Post by ownagefool »

jpalomaki wrote: post #4

Slightly related to this, the Lock Picking Lawyer on Youtube has number of videos where he tries a Ramset gun [1] against different padlocks. For example: https://youtu.be/Wimo09WV-rY This was interesting as it was an attack that certainly would not have crossed my mind. Would be interesting to see how other types of locks would do against this kind of tool. [1] https://www.homedepot.com/p/Ramset-MasterShot-0-22-Cali…

That looked like a pretty heavy duty lock, but as a kid I learned that a hammer or smashing a lock against the ground works most of the time.

In something like a shipping container the actual lock is shielded away from these types of attacks by the container itself.

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