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My Talk at Microsoft

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Re: My Talk at Microsoft

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Post by celticmusic »

simion314 wrote: post #71
5trokerac3 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> He is not forcing his views on you, don't like him don't read what he writes. Until just last week, when he was fired for using a technology forum to defend a 74 year old man having sex with a 17 year old prostitute on pedo island , he was the face of an organization that he used specifically to force views like "every website should work without JavaScript". It's ok to want websites to work without JS. The proper…

We were talking about software and philosophy, if you attack the person and not the ideas I think you are lacking arguments. About what he said, I did not see him saying rape is Ok, Anyway I would love to see your reaction if say you watch a porn video and later will surface that the actor was 17 years old, then all the press will say that you are watching child porn, you are assumed guilty and get fired and never fi…

> Anyway I would love to see your reaction if say you watch a porn video and later will surface that the actor was 17 years old, then all the press will say that you are watching child porn, you are assumed guilty and get fired and never find a job.

I have this recollection of something like that actually happening. IIRC, a man was on trial for watching child porn because they believed the actress was underage. The actress herself had to literally show up in court with identification to prove that she was not underage at the time the film was made.

The fact that she had to do that should scare everyone.

Re: My Talk at Microsoft

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Post by raxxorrax »

xiaodai wrote: post #25

Free software is difficult. I have a family and young kids to feed. I can't work for FREE. I have open-source packages that are "free", but that's my hobby or a living. If you get a professorship at a university then you can flog free software, but it doesn't work for the other 99.99999% of the population. Sigh. I wish open-soure software is funded like universities. European Union funds some software, but more shoul…

I devop proprietary software for proprietary hardware and still couldn't do much without people advocating free or at least open software and can acknowledge the importance. I try to give that back, even if that is only through teaching juniors.

Re: My Talk at Microsoft

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Post by celticmusic »

5trokerac3 wrote: post #79
simion314 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We were talking about software and philosophy, if you attack the person and not the ideas I think you are lacking arguments. About what he said, I did not see him saying rape is Ok, Anyway I would love to see your reaction if say you watch a porn video and later will surface that the actor was 17 years old, then all the press will say that you are watching child porn, you are assumed guilty and get fired and never fi…

1. I did attack his ideas as authoritarian. I'm also attacking him as the worst face of the FOSS movement, because if your messenger is shit people assume your movement is shit too. 2. Are you seriously comparing flying to a pedophile sex island to knowingly have sex with a minor to unknowingly watching the wrong vid on PornHub? Is this really the argument you want to post on HN?

minsky refused to have sex with the girl, there's an eye witness corroborating it.

The very least you can do is get your facts straight.

Re: My Talk at Microsoft

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Post by jacquesm »

richard_todd wrote: post #67
Zhyl wrote: post #5

>Publicly take back Microsoft's attacks on copyleft made in the 2000s. Ballmer called the GPL a "cancer". Allchin called it "un-American". (from the "Suggestions I gave to Microsoft" section) This is something I agree with. I don't think that Microsoft are likely to apologise for EEE [1] as that is likely just considered 'business' and part of the zeitgeist; neither do I think that Microsoft necessarily needs to endo…

Earlier he had said that we shouldn’t keep old grudges, so I was surprised he then turned around and asked for them to renounce statements from 20+ years ago, made by people that aren’t even there anymore. In my mind, .net core and vs code and countless smaller projects are a complete renunciation of their previous public statements. Maybe Stallman can’t see that because they MIT license those things, but why ask for…

Ballmer is an opportunist, pure and simple. When it suited him Linux was a cancer, and when it no longer suited him he 'loved Linux'. If the wind should ever change Linux will for sure be a cancer again.

Re: My Talk at Microsoft

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Post by badpun »

kuu wrote: post #12
incompatible wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stallman doesn't want to run proprietary software on his computer, and that includes proprietary Javascript.

What about proprietary HTML ? CSS ?

HTML and CSS are content, not software (they're not executables) - they're like DOC or PDF.

Re: My Talk at Microsoft

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Post by Chris2048 »

5trokerac3 wrote: post #16

> I resisted Steve Jobs's snow job in 1989 or 1990; I am no easy mark for those who want me to change my views. Why do people still prop this insufferable person up? Interacting with everyone like an angsty teen is no way for anyone who considers themself a professional to publicly talk. IMO FOSS is where it is today more despite Stallman than because of him. Being an asshole isn't necessarily a sign of being a savan…

As opposed to Jobs?

Re: My Talk at Microsoft

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Post by badpun »

eloisant wrote: post #82
jedieaston wrote: post #63

Interestingly, this is not the first time that I've heard Microsoft talk about open-sourcing Windows [0]. The licensing behind many of the components may make it a distant pipe dream, but since they make most of their money through their applications (i.e. MSSQL runs on Linux now, the software teams all work under Azure now), I could see it happening sometime. [0]: https://www.wired.com/2015/04/microsoft-open-source-…

They could open source the Windows kernel, and it wouldn't change anything. Just like OSX is based on Darwin which is Open Source, and Android is based on Linux, that doesn't provide any more freedom for users or encourage interoperability.

The users could at least fix the bugs and document the APIs better (via reading the code) than it's currently done on MSDN. Sounds like free labor for Microsoft BTW.

Re: My Talk at Microsoft

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Post by TeMPOraL »

5trokerac3 wrote: post #16

> I resisted Steve Jobs's snow job in 1989 or 1990; I am no easy mark for those who want me to change my views. Why do people still prop this insufferable person up? Interacting with everyone like an angsty teen is no way for anyone who considers themself a professional to publicly talk. IMO FOSS is where it is today more despite Stallman than because of him. Being an asshole isn't necessarily a sign of being a savan…

> Edit: Just a reminder that, only a week ago, this man was fired for using a technology forum to defend a 74 year old man having sex with a 17 year old prostitute on pedophile island.

You're spreading lies, whether or not you're aware of it.

The man has resigned (most likely being forced out) for being pedantic about an accusation about a 74 year old man, that allegedly - and in fact not at all, if the actual witness testimony is to be believed - had sex with a 17 year old prostitute. And that was in response to another e-mail that used that same technology forum to spread aforementioned accusation.

Regardless of what you think of RMS, and whether or not he got what he deserved considering the history of his past behavior, please do not spread misinformation.

Re: My Talk at Microsoft

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Post by steveklabnik »

nirui wrote: post #15

I somehow want to quote this too: > Direct GitHub to promote correct and clear use of licenses and the best use of copyleft (GPL version 3-or-later). I remember when I was very green, that list of licenses on the GitHub repository creation page is very very confusing to me. I don't know which is which and which one I should use, and most importantly, what's the effect of my choice. It could be great if GitHub can imp…

GitHub did make https://choosealicense.com , which is intended to help like this.
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