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Jeff Bezos climate change plan unveiled – buy 100k electric vans.

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Re: Jeff Bezos climate change plan unveiled – buy 100k electric vans.

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Post by AgloeDreams »

notJim wrote: post #22
pleatedwaffle wrote: post #13

Is there any chance this will make Rivian Trucks cheaper? I really want one.

The company has been around for 10 years without shipping a product. To me the bigger question is whether you'll ever be able to buy one. By contrast, Tesla started in 2003 and shipped the Roadster in 2008 and the Model S in 2012.

Counter point: They have major investment and signed contracts from real manufacturers like Ford (which is the real issue with starting an EV company, sure you can design an electric truck but can you build them?) The fact of the matter is that they now have the tech, solid R&Ded designs and the best people on earth to help them make them, this is not what any other company has ever had at EV manufacturing, not even Tesla.

Re: Jeff Bezos climate change plan unveiled – buy 100k electric vans.

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Post by 5db8db »

dimitar wrote: post #32
Arubis wrote: post #6

I'm glad to see that there's deliberate movement in this direction. However, it's a little dismaying that the headline is implying that we can address climate change by Consuming More Stuff; that's how we got into this mess in the first place.

Some consumption is good, i.e. replacing and old appliance or a car with a more efficient one, or you can buy a video game on Steam rather than driving to a picnic. It is not always apparent what behaviour is the most energy-wasteful. For example airplanes emit tons of CO2, but if the same 300 people in a plane drove the same distance it could be much worse. Advanced economies have grown their GDPs, but have also red…

There was recently a CCC talk [1] about sustainability of software,... there was mentioned, streaming a video is almost as toxic as driving 20 km forth and back.

For sure, this is super vague, but i guess it's still good to consider all those internet traffic. local internet-caching could be a good solution to keep things more regional...

1: https://media.ccc.de/v/thms-49-ber-die-nachhaltigkeit-von-so...

Re: Jeff Bezos climate change plan unveiled – buy 100k electric vans.

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Post by Jill_the_Pill »

BlackRing wrote: post #46
Jill_the_Pill wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Large quantities of carbon are taken from the ground and added to the atmosphere in the manufacture, transportation, sale, use, and disposal of consumer products.

Which is going to happen regardless. What would you rather they consume, an internal combustion engine that spits out a deadly exhaust or an electric vehicle that uses power, presumably from a nuclear or less toxic fuel source?

>>> Which is going to happen regardless.

It's not "happening," it's being done. By us. We can choose to stop.

Re: Jeff Bezos climate change plan unveiled – buy 100k electric vans.

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Post by Fins »

0x262d wrote: post #39

as expected, sections of the bourgeoisie are trying to barely solve CO2 pollution while continuing to maximize every other kind of resource consumption and concomitant non-CO2 pollution. or at least, pretend that they are trying to solve it. either way they will run into the concerted resistance of the bourgeoisie who depend on CO2 pollution as a business model, and who are extremely powerful. the alternative to this…

Because every place that did implement socialism did SUCH a great job of preventing pollution and protecting nature!

As they say, the only thing History teaches us is that History teaches us nothing.

Re: Jeff Bezos climate change plan unveiled – buy 100k electric vans.

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Post by electriclove »

AgloeDreams wrote: post #90
driverdan wrote: post #73

> Bezos said the first electric delivery vans will be on the road by 2021 I strongly doubt this will happen. Their truck still isn't in production and they haven't even built a concept van yet. The chances of them producing vans in two years is very low.

I thought this about a year ago when they came out of stealth, however; Rivian has all the magic in their sleeves. 1: They actually did the work, the prototype trucks are rather far in development for their announcement. Seemingly they are almost R&D-complete. This is different from most other EV startups like FF or Lucid as they pretty much just showed off mockups. 2, and this is what really matters: They got major…

I appreciate the optimism and hope you are right but there is plenty of talk/hype in this space and there are not many EVs that are not compliance cars actually in production in the US.

Re: Jeff Bezos climate change plan unveiled – buy 100k electric vans.

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Post by austhrow743 »

gutnor wrote: post #67
lenova wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And not to be pedantic, but when the above poster said "or you can buy a video game on Steam rather than driving to a picnic", that discounts the amount of times the game developers had to drive to work to create said game. As well, replacing an old appliance or car isn't a straight-forward net savings, you need to take into account the materials harvested and factories that need to be built to produce those new item…

The average game on Steam sells 32000 copies. It takes some seriously poluting developer to offset the picnic of thousands of people. Also (pedantic but you started it), the society we currently live in is based around work. So if games weren't being developed it is more likely the developers would still travel to work.

That's only if you cut out games. An overall lifestyle change of much less consumption would slash jobs.

Re: Jeff Bezos climate change plan unveiled – buy 100k electric vans.

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Post by jason46 »

penneyd wrote: post #64
jason46 wrote: post #45

What about the strain on the environment from sourcing and disposing batteries for these vans?

Because dirty diesel has no ill effects?

Did I say that? I'm wonder if sourcing and disposing batteries on a mass scale will be any better than burning fuel.
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