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Tesla earns its first-ever safety award from IIHS for Model 3

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Re: Tesla earns its first-ever safety award from IIHS for Model 3

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Post by bearjaws »

Judgmentality wrote: post #59
kwhitefoot wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> known dangers of Tesla cars that make Teslas more likely to crash than other vehicles Do you have any stats on this?

https://medium.com/@MidwesternHedgi/teslas-driver-fatality-r...

Whenever you see someone showing a brief and incomplete window of data, you have to take a step back and ask yourself "why?". There is seldomly a case for you to just disregard newer data when trying to predict into the future.

That being said, this is simply a Tesla short that used incomplete (but true in the past) statistics to try and make Tesla look bad. They time boxed their statistics to 2016 and despite the post being made in mid 2018.

Tesla for the years 2019, 2018, 2017 has had 7 deaths per year each (6 so far in 2019). Despite the number of Tesla's on the road showing hockey stick like growth, the number of fatalities has remained nearly constant.

If the blog post were to be true, the number of fatalities due to accidents in 2017 should have been 14, then 24 in 2018, and closer to 50 in 2019.

Re: Tesla earns its first-ever safety award from IIHS for Model 3

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Post by thebluehawk »

helpPeople wrote: post #56
gamblor956 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note: this quote is from Tesla, not the IIHS. It's marketing speak and isn't supported by anything in the IIHS's actual public announcement on their most recent vehicle safety ratings. Tesla has received flak in the past for misstating the results of IIHS and NHTSA testing.

Some people seem more accepting of misinformation than others. The whole Mars thing + no 30k electric car after all these years have me immune. Tesla and musk are simply not trustworthy.

Context is important. Pretty much the entire aerospace industry is terrible at time estimates. SpaceX has accomplished some incredible things, so bashing them for "the whole Mars thing" when they are still hard at work on it seems premature and pithy.

And as far as I'm aware they never promised a 30k car? They promised a 35k car, which you can buy today (you just have to email them or go in person and ask for it, it's not available online)

Re: Tesla earns its first-ever safety award from IIHS for Model 3

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Post by Qo2 »

mywittyname wrote: post #88
baybal2 wrote: post #14

I put to doubt the utility of crash safety ratings. The survival rates for collisions on highway speeds are in single digits no matter what you do. It's just laws of physics. Modern luxury sedans have 1m+ crumple zones, and those only make for few percents extra chance at speeds above 60km/h. Extending crumple zones beyond that is self defeating, as it will only lead to further increase of average car mass, leading t…

Crash safety ratings are based on sound scientific and statistical analysis of real-world crash data and have been proven to save lives. The process is essentially this: the IIHS looks at the most common crash scenarios which involve fatalities. They replicate the the crashes in a lab to gather data on the forces exerted on occupants during the crash. Then a test scenario is formalized and future vehicles will be sco…

I was unable to find a relationship between IIHS safety ratings and IIHS driver death rates for trucks and SUVs based on the most recent set of data released (though this was in 2014, so maybe they have improved their testing methodology since then). Interestingly, the only two vehicles to receive "TSP+" ratings in 2014 were actually among those that driver was most likely to die in - the GMC Terrain and the Chevy Equinox.

So far, the only variable that I've found that is predictive of driver mortality is curb weight, and the relationship is not linear. There is a mortality minimum between 4000 - 5000 lbs of curb weight.

Again, this is just for trucks and SUVs, and just those 37 models that offered both 2WD and 4WD versions. Maybe the ratings work better for sedans or for other types of vehicles.

Re: Tesla earns its first-ever safety award from IIHS for Model 3

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Post by SilasX »

adt2bt wrote: post #90
SilasX wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, and seeing how the post appeared after submitting didn't convince you otherwise?

What’s with the attitude? He said he was wrong and the child comment fixed the issue. No need to castigate him.

Just surprised how people are able to miss this.

SEJeff in particular has been a member since 2012 and has 7500 karma, and somehow never saw a post that looked unreadable because of blockquote, including his own.

Re: Tesla earns its first-ever safety award from IIHS for Model 3

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Post by Retric »

gamblor956 wrote: post #83
ajross wrote: post #51

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> make Teslas more likely to crash than other vehicles Citation needed. Which other vehicles? Tesla's overall safety record is quite good. Every car has things it does well and things it does badly, and every other manufacturer gets judged on the safety record on balance. I mean, do you regularly post on HN about, I dunno, Toyota's safety record given the high center of gravity of its SUV offerings that make them "mo…

Last I checked, Toyota's cars don't roll themselves over. The driver of the SUV needs to be going too fast and take a turn too sharply to cause a rollover. Indeed, Tesla Model Ys, and all SUVs, are also prone to rollover due to having a higher center of mass than a sedan. This is why anti-rollover features are now standard in SUVs: to minimize the likelihood of a rollover occuring, and then to mitigate the harm to th…

If you mean 0 deaths per 0 miles vs 7 deaths per 1+ Billion miles that’s hardly impressive.

PS: Oddly enough of you replaced those billion miles with average American miles in average cars you would expect 12.5 deaths. Tesla’s autopilot might be less safe than other new cars in their segment especially if driven defensively etc, but that’s harder to quantify.

Re: Tesla earns its first-ever safety award from IIHS for Model 3

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Post by mikeash »

bearjaws wrote: post #91
Judgmentality wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://medium.com/@MidwesternHedgi/teslas-driver-fatality-r...

Whenever you see someone showing a brief and incomplete window of data, you have to take a step back and ask yourself "why?". There is seldomly a case for you to just disregard newer data when trying to predict into the future. That being said, this is simply a Tesla short that used incomplete (but true in the past) statistics to try and make Tesla look bad. They time boxed their statistics to 2016 and despite the po…

Just to approach this from another angle: Teslas currently make up about 0.1% (very very roughly) of all cars in the US. From that, you’d expect around 40 fatalities per year, and increasing fast.

Re: Tesla earns its first-ever safety award from IIHS for Model 3

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Post by cjsawyer »

SilasX wrote: post #89
SEJeff wrote: post #85

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Well when I looked at it a bit later, I was unable to edit the original comment. Kind of makes the point moot don't you think?

You didn't see/care how the post looked for several hours?

Internet comments are usually fire-and-forget.

Re: Tesla earns its first-ever safety award from IIHS for Model 3

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Post by cptskippy »

SEJeff wrote: post #20
imeron wrote: post #18

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It can also turn orange in certain conditions: https://www.google.com/search?q=tesla+orange+roof

It is only the front part, and it is due to being polarized glass, which only manifests when the car is wet. I think it is kind of pretty actually (note that I own a Model 3).

It isn't polarized, it's just an IR filter.

Re: Tesla earns its first-ever safety award from IIHS for Model 3

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Post by epylar »

justapassenger wrote: post #48
Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #10

I get why Tesla gets the flak from analysts, it being a public company; But I rarely see an analyst speak about Tesla's impressive record in building safe cars. Especially when there are car manufacturers who try to hide flaws which can lead to catastrophic malfunction or had been caught with cheat devices for emissions test. Also one more thing which is less talked about is Tesla's autopilot being useful for people…

> Also one more thing which is less talked about is Tesla's autopilot being useful for people with disabilities although Tesla hasn't added any specific features for people with disabilities AFAIK. Autopilot isn't solution for disabilities. If you aren't able to drive car without AP, you cannot drive one with AP - you have to be able to intervene and take over at any point of AP operation. Don't get people killed by…

Some disabilities are not black and white--you may be able to drive a car only 20 minutes at a time due to a disability, but with say adaptive cruise control/lane keeping you could drive it 60 minutes at a time.

Re: Tesla earns its first-ever safety award from IIHS for Model 3

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

crushingcrash wrote: post #87
MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #84

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Wondering will I ever see the day this gets fixed. Shouldn’t take more than an hour?

This is hilarious to me, how this site is so badly laid out and has so many rendering bugs.

It's not a bug, it's a feature.

Prepending 4 spaces is intended to be used for posting source code, where automatic line wrapping is undesirable.

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