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Norway's Bold Plan to Tackle Overtourism

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Re: Norway's Bold Plan to Tackle Overtourism

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Post by mieseratte »

brainwad wrote: post #51
wellactually wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another way would be to charge a modest lottery entrance fee and limit the number of winners to a sensible quota.

Rationing is not a very fair way to distribute goods or services to people. Some people may value it just enough to pay the entry fee, while others might value it a lot more, but now they have the same chances of receiving it. If you prohibit people from on-selling their tickets, then you also causes losses when people change their minds but are already locked in by the lottery.

> Rationing is not a very fair way to distribute goods or services to people.

So?

No one said life was fair. There is no human-right to vacation in a given destination. I have to apply for lottery hunts for various game animal in my state. It's just a means of controlling scarce resource.

> then you also causes losses when people change their minds but are already locked in by the lottery.

Good! Better be sure you wish to take part.

Re: Norway's Bold Plan to Tackle Overtourism

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Post by PeterStuer »

skohan wrote: post #87
PeterStuer wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Barecona's case it was the RyanAir booze flights from the UK that destroyed the city.

When I lived in BCN there was a certain reputation a type for British and German tourists who used the streets as a toilet. It struck me as odd that so many people seemed to view Barcelona as an "anything goes" type of city while the Catalan people are not that wild for the most part and drink socially but not to get drunk.

That is because it was and still is promoted as 'anything goes' in the UK. Google 'Stag Do Barcelona'.

Re: Norway's Bold Plan to Tackle Overtourism

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Post by thedaemon »

frereubu wrote: post #70
ohduran wrote: post #24

Currently living in Barcelona, where 'overtourism' is a much bigger problem than in Norway IMHO, it feels weird. You start passing bills on restricting tourism, then the natural next step is being hard on immigration, then Brexit. The ability to control who goes in and who goes out usually falls on the hand of those that shouldn't have that kind of power. Edit: Removed "At the risk of being downvoted" as some comment…

On a side note, I wish people would stop prefacing their comments with "At the risk of being downvoted..." or "Unpopular opinion here, but..." Just state your point as clearly as you can and allow your arguments to stand or fall on their own. One of the things which drew me to HN was the lack of this kind of language, and I feel like I've seen more and more of it recently.

I wish people wouldn't comment about other people's comments like this. Just up or down vote, this makes for even more boring reading than the comment you mentioned. Here I am breaking my own rule because I cannot down vote your comment.

Re: Norway's Bold Plan to Tackle Overtourism

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Post by vageli »

Scoundreller wrote: post #58
iflywithbook wrote: post #19

It's interesting to see countries work so hard to developing the tourism and than reaching a point where they can't stop it I lived in Amsterdam for a year and you can't walk in the city center without drunk/high people around you I was completely fine with it, but I know that many people who live in the heart of amsterdam that their life changed once they tourist raised What people should realize is that when the to…

Maybe if the source countries of the tourists could realize that if they liberalized their own country, their citizens wouldn’t dream of leaving so much just to walk around high. But I have my doubts.

> Maybe if the source countries of the tourists could realize that if they liberalized their own country, their citizens wouldn’t dream of leaving so much just to walk around high.

Are you implying that no tourists visit Amsterdam from such liberal places, or that the only reason people go to Amsterdam is for drug tourism? Or something else?

Re: Norway's Bold Plan to Tackle Overtourism

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Post by elisharobinson »

i should thing norway doesnt have a problem with tourism it has a problem with "nature toursim" it has a problem with tourists not paying any money to stay or explore. And im sure they might make some bull argument about sustianability. truth is people in tents will probably cause less damage than a climate controled carbon neutral lodge.

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Post by mistermann »

ohduran wrote: post #24

Currently living in Barcelona, where 'overtourism' is a much bigger problem than in Norway IMHO, it feels weird. You start passing bills on restricting tourism, then the natural next step is being hard on immigration, then Brexit. The ability to control who goes in and who goes out usually falls on the hand of those that shouldn't have that kind of power. Edit: Removed "At the risk of being downvoted" as some comment…

> You start passing bills on restricting tourism, then the natural next step is being hard on immigration, then Brexit.

This is kind of an interesting comment if you overthink it, as I enjoy doing.

By my reading, "then the natural next step is being hard on immigration" is a rather boldly axiomatic statement, as if being hard on immigration is _Wrong_, full stop. If others hold the opinion that ~open borders are a Good Thing, that's fine with me because it's an opinion, and everyone is entitled to their own. But when reading forums and the news I constantly get a strong sense that in the last 5 years this subject has rapidly progressed from "matter of opinion" status and deeply into "matter of fact".

> The ability to control who goes in and who goes out usually falls on the hand of those that shouldn't have that kind of power.

Like democratically elected politicians? Or is there someone else who should decide who gets to hold what power?

Re: Norway's Bold Plan to Tackle Overtourism

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Post by elisharobinson »

iflywithbook wrote: post #19

It's interesting to see countries work so hard to developing the tourism and than reaching a point where they can't stop it I lived in Amsterdam for a year and you can't walk in the city center without drunk/high people around you I was completely fine with it, but I know that many people who live in the heart of amsterdam that their life changed once they tourist raised What people should realize is that when the to…

buffet makes money in the sodas , and countries make money from tourists with overpriced souvenirs, overpriced hotels and over hyped landmarks. Ever wondered how all these world heritage org people get their funding. If all of a sudden people just want to roam around the country side and instagram everything than how the hell will the country make money , not to mention you might become a strain on the well fare system (low water electricity bill) just by virtue of staying there for more than the required time.

Re: Norway's Bold Plan to Tackle Overtourism

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Post by frereubu »

thedaemon wrote: post #93
frereubu wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On a side note, I wish people would stop prefacing their comments with "At the risk of being downvoted..." or "Unpopular opinion here, but..." Just state your point as clearly as you can and allow your arguments to stand or fall on their own. One of the things which drew me to HN was the lack of this kind of language, and I feel like I've seen more and more of it recently.

I wish people wouldn't comment about other people's comments like this. Just up or down vote, this makes for even more boring reading than the comment you mentioned. Here I am breaking my own rule because I cannot down vote your comment.

But I don't want to downvote their comment (although I don't want to upvote it either). The issue with your suggestion is that a downvote will be seen as a vote on the content of the comment. There isn't a separate "downvote for special pleading" option.

Re: Norway's Bold Plan to Tackle Overtourism

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Post by Scoundreller »

vageli wrote: post #94
Scoundreller wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe if the source countries of the tourists could realize that if they liberalized their own country, their citizens wouldn’t dream of leaving so much just to walk around high. But I have my doubts.

> Maybe if the source countries of the tourists could realize that if they liberalized their own country, their citizens wouldn’t dream of leaving so much just to walk around high. Are you implying that no tourists visit Amsterdam from such liberal places, or that the only reason people go to Amsterdam is for drug tourism? Or something else?

Where did I said “no” or “only”?

Point is, if a city has a reputation for having a high proportion of its tourists roaming around visibly high, they’re inexperienced (or got higher than they could at home ).

Experienced high-quality marijuana users blend in a lot better.

Re: Norway's Bold Plan to Tackle Overtourism

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Post by Scoundreller »

skohan wrote: post #72
Scoundreller wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think of it as “Only rich people used to be able to come here, but now people of more moderate means can, oh noes”.

I think it's probably a convergence of relatively cheaper air travel and also network effects due to social media. For instance not too long ago, I was in a particularly scenic beach Italy, and was surprised to find that, while it had previously been a destination mostly for Italians, this year they experienced a large number of American tourists even though it's a bit complicated to reach and it's hard to navigate t…

I see it as the same.

Where before you had to hire your home travel agent to hire a local guide overseas (and know who), you can now do it all yourself via SM.

That massively improves accessibility.

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