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Wow. 18k is nuts. 50 miles a day? We lowered our last lease to 10k and wont even be close at end of the year.
Most people don’t drive 50 miles a day, but they might drive several hundred over a weekend going somewhere different and fun.
Their i3 isn't even an electric car, it's a hybrid with a petrol engine (range extender). The title claims the content is somehow about electric cars in general, but it's just one datapoint about one model and one owner. FWIW, my maintenance costs for almost 3 years with a Tesla S90D were so far: €290 for changing and storing winter tires. No repairs, no breakdowns so far, despite some abuse on italian country roads.…
Not true, there are two models, one with range extender, one pure EV. It's fair to assume he had the pure EV since he didn't include any ICE costs such as oil changes.
Their i3 isn't even an electric car, it's a hybrid with a petrol engine (range extender). The title claims the content is somehow about electric cars in general, but it's just one datapoint about one model and one owner. FWIW, my maintenance costs for almost 3 years with a Tesla S90D were so far: €290 for changing and storing winter tires. No repairs, no breakdowns so far, despite some abuse on italian country roads.…
Their i3 isn't even an electric car, it's a hybrid with a petrol engine (range extender). Not true, there are two models, one with range extender, one pure EV. It's fair to assume he had the pure EV since he didn't include any ICE costs such as oil changes.
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The i3 starts at $44,450 new, which is almost exactly the same as the Tesla Model 3 LR. I guess it's nice for consumers that there are used i3s out there (probably will be true of Tesla in a few years) but from a business perspective, selling the i3 just seems like a crazy proposition.
Here the cheapest new standard range Model 3 is 50,000 euros and long range 62,000 euros. Cheapest new i3 is around 42,000 euros, though they don't mention REX anymore. No used model 3:s are available on the free market so can't compare those. Sources: https://www.tesla.com/fi_FI/inventory/new/m3 https://www.bmw.fi/content/dam/bmw/marketFI/bmw_fi/ladattava...
Their i3 isn't even an electric car, it's a hybrid with a petrol engine (range extender). The title claims the content is somehow about electric cars in general, but it's just one datapoint about one model and one owner. FWIW, my maintenance costs for almost 3 years with a Tesla S90D were so far: €290 for changing and storing winter tires. No repairs, no breakdowns so far, despite some abuse on italian country roads.…
Your cost should also include the price to set up a charging station at home. That costs $1500+ in the USA.
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Sadly km or ~900 miles per month. Engine inside is small one from motorcycle, so it shouldn’t be hard to service. I was considering buying i3, but went for 328i.
Small engines generally need more service than larger ones. This is mostly because large engines are not pushed as hard relative to the size because the buyers want a reliable engine. A tractor with a 600 horsepower engine would have around 19 liters. GM can get the same 600 horsepower out of 6 liters. I know motorcycle mechanics who can get that power from 1.5 liters. Of course the motorcycle mechanic will tell you…
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Also keep in mind that BMWs are notoriously expensive on maintenance compared to many other cars.[0] Around where I live, it's easy to find some relatively inexpensive used BMWs when people want to unload them due to high maintenance costs. [0] https://www.consumerreports.org/car-maintenance/the-cost-of-...
The article we're discussing is talking about BMW in the UK. Your link is to US-based consumer reports. I wouldn't trust anything about BMW or other premium German brands from a US source as an EU customer, because: 1) US (and Canadian, Australian, Malaysian) fuel is of much lower quality, and BMW engines are notoriously sensitive to this. As an example, the BMW I own wasn't ever sold in North America or these other…
This hasnt been true in a long time, at least with regards to sulfur. Current US regulations limit sulfur to 15 ppm [0], EU limits to 10 ppm [1]. Compared to the 1990s and earlier, when it could be as much as several thousand ppm in both the US and Europe, sulfur has been nearly eliminated in current diesel fuels (for road use, at least).
[0] https://www.epa.gov/diesel-fuel-standards/diesel-fuel-standa...
[1] https://www.transportpolicy.net/standard/eu-fuels-diesel-and...
Very detailed writing, thank you! But this “Costs for maintenance totalled £3056.0” is shocking! It’s a golden car! Ok, it has internal combustion engine too, but 100€ maintenance monthly is shocking. 8 tires for 45000 km is also shocking. I am driving almost double that with one set (except nasty flats). Are other electric cars cheaper to drive?
Shrug Why would that be high? It seems to include the required yearly checkup, and a 450L brake change that wasn't necessary. My (diesel) BMW X3 cost a little bit more than his car to buy, and I expect to average the same maintenance costs over say 5 years (his car was second hand when he bought it, too). BMW official dealerships are quite expensive, what you get for it are exact quotes within minutes on the phone, r…
Very detailed writing, thank you! But this “Costs for maintenance totalled £3056.0” is shocking! It’s a golden car! Ok, it has internal combustion engine too, but 100€ maintenance monthly is shocking. 8 tires for 45000 km is also shocking. I am driving almost double that with one set (except nasty flats). Are other electric cars cheaper to drive?
Last week I read that significant plastic is released in nature by tire wear. Electric cars are often heavier then their gasoline equivalents. I wouldn't be surprised if they wear faster and pollute more microplastics. [1] https://friendsoftheearth.uk/plastics/tyres-and-microplastic...
Note that I'm not against electric cars at all. I'm only talking about pollution of microplastics. Not pollution in general.
Of course it's hard to tell if people downvote because they disagree with me or because there are actually falsehoods in my comment. If it's the latter it's either: 1) electric cars are not heavier, or 2) tire wear due to additional weight is neglectable. Please, correct me if I'm wrong. Perhaps it's my filter bubble, but I only find articles that support my statement [2]. I quote:
"For energy use, the weight is less of a problem than for gasoline cars. They waste the increased energy used to accelerate the higher weight. But the momentum of an electric car lets you return energy to the battery as the car slows. The heavier the car, the more energy it takes to accelerate—but the more you return to the battery commensurately through regenerative braking.
Of course, if you pay six figures for a high-performance electric car (think Tesla Model S P100D) and use its capabilities, you should expect to replace your very expensive low-profile tires every 15,000 miles or so. That's par for the segment."
[2] https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1122838_busting-7-of-th...
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The article we're discussing is talking about BMW in the UK. Your link is to US-based consumer reports. I wouldn't trust anything about BMW or other premium German brands from a US source as an EU customer, because: 1) US (and Canadian, Australian, Malaysian) fuel is of much lower quality, and BMW engines are notoriously sensitive to this. As an example, the BMW I own wasn't ever sold in North America or these other…
> US (and Canadian, Australian, Malaysian) fuel is of much lower quality, and BMW engines are notoriously sensitive to this. As an example, the BMW I own wasn't ever sold in North America or these other markets because of the high sulfur content in the fuel. This hasnt been true in a long time, at least with regards to sulfur. Current US regulations limit sulfur to 15 ppm [0], EU limits to 10 ppm [1]. Compared to the…
The limit was 50 ppm and 10 ppm in the EU in 2005 and 2009, respectively according to your [1].
I've got an N53 engine[1] which was introduced in 2006. This[1] page shows it and a few other BMW engines weren't sold in North America for fuel quality reasons.
As far as comparing long-term reliability numbers it amounts to the same thing. US numbers can't be trusted for EU consumers. We've got 10 years of data at 10 ppm, the US just 2 years.
But the main reason I'd distrust it is consumer bias. As shown in [2][3] BMW is as common in Germany as Nissan and Honda in the US. I live in The Netherlands where it's about as common to see a BMW (5% market share, 2% in the US).
1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_in_the_United_States#Engin...
2. http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2019/01/u-s-auto-sales-brand-ra...
3. https://www.best-selling-cars.com/germany/2019-q1-germany-be...