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Re: If you must run Windows 10

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Post by wayneftw »

eslaught wrote: post #58
owenwil wrote: post #37

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The 'phones home' argument doesn't really add up—there's plenty of control over this at this point, and every OS is calling home, macOS included, to some degree. The advertisements thing happens out of the box, and is trivial to remove (if my memory is correct, Safari harasses you about being the default browser, too, if you try to change it). The updates to add features thing.... isn't an issue for me, but YMMV.

> Safari harasses you about being the default browser But does it advertise to you by default? This seems not comparable at all. Pretty much every browser will want you to set it as default (and at least the option to stop the nagging is usually front and center). Maybe this is just me, but advertising by default in something as basic as a start screen seems very user hostile....

Every time you go to check updates for macOS you have to see ads in their app store. Not only that, but Apple installs a ton of apps I don’t need, which are essentially advertised by simply existing on my launchpad. Things just show up after an update and I don’t see a difference between that and some third-party apps that Microsoft puts on the start menu for you.

Re: If you must run Windows 10

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Post by erikoo »

semi-extrinsic wrote: post #86
owenwil wrote: post #33

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The UX is incrementally improving in every release. Through just the last few major releases, you've gotten Airdrop-style sharing (the new Share menu), full system-wide indexing and instant search, a unified control panel and a ton of other things. They're moving fast, but incrementally enough that it may not be noticable—but I vastly prefer the fast-follow improvements over the 1-3 yearly 'big bang' releases Apple h…

> full system-wide indexing and instant search We have been promised this since (at least) Longhorn. It's never materialised. I don't see it in my W10 machine (it reports the latest feature update as v1809 2019-06C). In fact I just tried going to C: and searching for the word "journal". I am greeted with the familiar crawling green progress bar and "Working on it..." which has been there now for a full three minutes…

Yes this! This is exactly my experience in an enterprise environment.

Also the little things like taking my laptop, plug it into a monitor and Skype is silenced. Popups about blurry fonts. Files that cannot be deleted because they are busy. Slow performance when manipulating many files.

There is no soul, or perhaps that is Conway's law...

Re: If you must run Windows 10

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Post by eberfreitas »

There is basically one reason why I use a Windows machine and that is games. I know linux has seen a lot of movement in that area (tks Valve) but I've tried it, and it works great, but performance is better in Windows for my machine. So I bought this machine where I can game (it is not anything fancy) and I would really like to work on it as well.

I have a notebook with Ubuntu installed and if you would ask me I would rather work on the linux machine, but I'm trying to push the envelope with WSL2 to develop with RoR... Weird bugs and slow sometimes (better than WSL1 tho). Oh well...

Re: If you must run Windows 10

#95

Post by ymolodtsov »

plorkyeran wrote: post #89
eslaught wrote: post #58

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> Safari harasses you about being the default browser But does it advertise to you by default? This seems not comparable at all. Pretty much every browser will want you to set it as default (and at least the option to stop the nagging is usually front and center). Maybe this is just me, but advertising by default in something as basic as a start screen seems very user hostile....

I get semi-regular notifications in macOS telling me I should give Safari another try and I haven't found any way to turn them off.

That’s interesting, I switched to Chrome months ago and haven’t seen any — even though I might open Safari from time to time.

Re: If you must run Windows 10

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Post by eslaught »

wayneftw wrote: post #91
eslaught wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Safari harasses you about being the default browser But does it advertise to you by default? This seems not comparable at all. Pretty much every browser will want you to set it as default (and at least the option to stop the nagging is usually front and center). Maybe this is just me, but advertising by default in something as basic as a start screen seems very user hostile....

Every time you go to check updates for macOS you have to see ads in their app store. Not only that, but Apple installs a ton of apps I don’t need, which are essentially advertised by simply existing on my launchpad. Things just show up after an update and I don’t see a difference between that and some third-party apps that Microsoft puts on the start menu for you.

This is no longer true on the latest macOS; OS updates are no longer delivered via the app store. (You get to it via settings, or you can get to it via the apple menu in the top bar.)

But anyway, I figure the app store is a place I go to get apps, and if the app store chooses to offered paid placement in that list, at least that's sort of relevant. My start area... is a place I go to use basic functionality of the machine. There is no implication that I want to install anything, or buy anything.

Has Apple ever installed a third-party app on your system? macOS is a batteries-included OS, I think most people consider the wide variety of first-party apps to be a feature not a bug. And if you want a specific app, type its name into Spotlight and you don't even have to hunt and peck through all the icons.

Re: If you must run Windows 10

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Post by twiceaday »

eberfreitas wrote: post #94

There is basically one reason why I use a Windows machine and that is games . I know linux has seen a lot of movement in that area (tks Valve) but I've tried it, and it works great, but performance is better in Windows for my machine. So I bought this machine where I can game (it is not anything fancy) and I would really like to work on it as well. I have a notebook with Ubuntu installed and if you would ask me I wou…

The sneaky bit about gaming is that it means your most powerful computer is reserved for Windows. I'd love to treat my Windows pc as a gaming console and keep a Mac as my personal computer but that would cost a lot more money so I just put up with Windows.

Re: If you must run Windows 10

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Post by pizza234 »

JustSomeNobody wrote: post #43
pizza234 wrote: post #21

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As Joel Spolsky put: > What are the cultural differences between Unix and Windows programmers? There are many details and subtleties, but for the most part it comes down to one thing: Unix culture values code which is useful to other programmers, while Windows culture values code which is useful to non-programmers. See https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2003/12/14/biculturalism .

> Unix culture values code which is useful to other programmers, while Windows culture values code which is useful to non-programmers. I don't even know what that's supposed to mean.

Is this a rhetorical question or a real one?

Re: If you must run Windows 10

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Post by latexr »

plorkyeran wrote: post #89
eslaught wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Safari harasses you about being the default browser But does it advertise to you by default? This seems not comparable at all. Pretty much every browser will want you to set it as default (and at least the option to stop the nagging is usually front and center). Maybe this is just me, but advertising by default in something as basic as a start screen seems very user hostile....

I get semi-regular notifications in macOS telling me I should give Safari another try and I haven't found any way to turn them off.

I’ve been on macOS (OS X) for over a decade, never used Safari as the default browser, and have no idea what you’re referring to.

Re: If you must run Windows 10

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Post by latexr »

jscholes wrote: post #93

> If you must run Windows 10 I must, because it's the only viable choice for a blind, screen reader user (me) who wants to get real work done.

I’m curious about this in case you wish to expand on it, such as what you mean by “real work”. Perhaps there are no macOS equivalents to the apps you need for your occupation, but generically claiming one can’t get “real work” done on macOS is inaccurate for several jobs.

Unless you’re referring to the screen reader, but my impression is Apple is generally regarded as the best in what comes to accessibility features, and they keep improving. They’re so proud of it they frequently brag about it in promotional videos they present at high-visibility events such as WWDC.

Which makes me even more interested in your experience, since you live it.

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