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Re: Show HN: Duple – Private cloud at home

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Post by basch » Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 6:52 PM UTC

human20190310 wrote: post #31

zelon88 wrote: post #19

I'm really into home Cloud stuff. This answers none of my questions. 1) Where will my files be stored? 2) Does Duple store a copy? 3) What does Duple do with my meta data? What do they do with usage stats? 4) Does Duple have any third party contracts or contractors with access to my data? 5) How does putting Duple software on an RPI make my files available from anywhere? How do you enable access to my device from any…

What is the purpose of having "the cloud" in your home at all? To me "the cloud's" primary value is that it is running off-site, in an environment that capably and regularly deals with broken equipment. If my work is backed up in Google/Dropbox's data center, I don't have to worry about it if my house gets flooded. Having the cloud in your house, running on whatever stuff is laying around, just seems one small step r…

Home Cloud is just a ridiculous phrase. Cloud should mean raided hard drives inside clustered servers, with failover switches and routers, possibly even geo-redundancy. A single point of failure in almost every regard, even accessible remotely, is the antithesis of abstracting away failure points. Cloud should not be restricted to abstracting away hardware and only surfacing a provisioning layer, it needs to include invisible redundancies.

Re: Show HN: Duple – Private cloud at home

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Post by unknown2374 » Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 7:10 PM UTC

magashna wrote: post #22

dperfect wrote: post #7

> No server needed. No expensive hardware required... You can use your Router, NAS, Raspberry Pi, Smart TV. So... it turns those things into servers then (many of which already run servers by default)? Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but a device running server software is still a server, even if it isn't dedicated to only that task.

Cloud = servers someone else has and mostly maintains for you Cloud...at home? This is a dumb headline. The definition of "server" has gone from big bulky slabs of bare metal to include smaller things like a RPi.

No, cloud does not mean that. Generally the cloud means that you can access data stored on a cloud as long as you are connected to the internet (or the same network). I don't know where you got that definition of cloud from.

Re: Show HN: Duple – Private cloud at home

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Post by kube-system » Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 7:11 PM UTC

tlb wrote: post #90

kube-system wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ROT13 of course, designed to Roman military specifications.

Caesar ciphers mostly shifted by 1 or 3. Their alphabet had only 23 letters (no J, U, or W) so ROT-13 wouldn't had the cool property of being its own inverse.

My mistake, ROT-13 is actually beyond military grade :D

Re: Show HN: Duple – Private cloud at home

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Post by zelon88 » Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 7:11 PM UTC

basch wrote: post #91

human20190310 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the purpose of having "the cloud" in your home at all? To me "the cloud's" primary value is that it is running off-site, in an environment that capably and regularly deals with broken equipment. If my work is backed up in Google/Dropbox's data center, I don't have to worry about it if my house gets flooded. Having the cloud in your house, running on whatever stuff is laying around, just seems one small step r…

Home Cloud is just a ridiculous phrase. Cloud should mean raided hard drives inside clustered servers, with failover switches and routers, possibly even geo-redundancy. A single point of failure in almost every regard, even accessible remotely, is the antithesis of abstracting away failure points. Cloud should not be restricted to abstracting away hardware and only surfacing a provisioning layer, it needs to include…

Really? Because anyone with a PC and an internet connection can assume their own hosting duties without all that.

And if they really wanted to make up the geographic shortcomings they can image and encrypt their files and still use Google drive like everyone else. There's your redundancy with privacy.

Cloud, to me, just means "someone else's computer."

Re: Show HN: Duple – Private cloud at home

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Post by dragonwriter » Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 7:13 PM UTC

tlb wrote: post #90

kube-system wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ROT13 of course, designed to Roman military specifications.

Caesar ciphers mostly shifted by 1 or 3. Their alphabet had only 23 letters (no J, U, or W) so ROT-13 wouldn't had the cool property of being its own inverse.

ROT13 is 4 rounds of Caesar-3 and one round of Caesar-1, and multiple rounds of encryption and mixing different modes makes it that much more secure, right?

Re: Show HN: Duple – Private cloud at home

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Post by smush » Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 7:32 PM UTC

cik wrote: post #88

I finally ditched SpiderOak for SyncThing about a month ago - and I haven't looked back. It solves all of these issues, I fully host it myself, and I can access everything, exactly the way I want to based on shares. I have a machine in my office, a shared folder on my mobile, two machines at home, and my wife has her office, and her work laptop. It's everything these things should be, other than the lack of an iOS ap…

I have a lot of devices as well - syncthing can handle em all.

3x phones for photo upload, music sync, TWRP zips etc.

2x personal laptops

2x work devices + a personal VM

2x close friend party shares for easy linux iso sharing overnight

And most recently, added one volunteer device for instant/eventually consistent overnight poor-man's offsite data backup.

I can mix n match folders for this on the fly and feel no loss of functionality with how little I do arbitrary internet file sharing.

Re: Show HN: Duple – Private cloud at home

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Post by beders » Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 7:35 PM UTC

zelon88 wrote: post #45

human20190310 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the purpose of having "the cloud" in your home at all? To me "the cloud's" primary value is that it is running off-site, in an environment that capably and regularly deals with broken equipment. If my work is backed up in Google/Dropbox's data center, I don't have to worry about it if my house gets flooded. Having the cloud in your house, running on whatever stuff is laying around, just seems one small step r…

You're not wrong about the benefits of the Cloud. Some people make bomb shelters in their basement, some people stockpile canned goods. I stockpile data. I even have an old text only offline copy of the English Wikipedia. My main issues are privacy. I don't want Google peeking into everything I upload for marketing materials. I also don't want to trust a third party company with my kids photos. They can change their…

Well, all good points, except no one really cares about your data on the cloud. You might see relevant ads though, i.e. your particular docs and photos are just slightly above pink noise.

And "take those 4 companies out" is - close to impossible. In case of WW III, you might have more things to worry about than your kids photos.

I'm fine with Apple having a copy of my notes, docs and pics. I do have a local backup. I'm not going through the trouble of trying to host it on my 5Mbit upload stream.

Re: Show HN: Duple – Private cloud at home

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Post by basch » Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 7:40 PM UTC

zelon88 wrote: post #94

basch wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Home Cloud is just a ridiculous phrase. Cloud should mean raided hard drives inside clustered servers, with failover switches and routers, possibly even geo-redundancy. A single point of failure in almost every regard, even accessible remotely, is the antithesis of abstracting away failure points. Cloud should not be restricted to abstracting away hardware and only surfacing a provisioning layer, it needs to include…

Really? Because anyone with a PC and an internet connection can assume their own hosting duties without all that. And if they really wanted to make up the geographic shortcomings they can image and encrypt their files and still use Google drive like everyone else. There's your redundancy with privacy. Cloud, to me, just means "someone else's computer."

Cloud is supposed to be where downtime isnt a thing, or isnt really possible (minus dns of course.)

Someone elses computer, without failovers, will never be "always up."

Someone elses computer is just "hosting." A cloud is a datacenter, not a server.

Your own computer available from anywhere on the internet is just "remote access."

Cloud has always meant either distributed computing or complexity abstracted away because its moot and only the resulting service matters.

Re: Show HN: Duple – Private cloud at home

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Post by anderspitman » Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 7:52 PM UTC

smush wrote: post #70

anderspitman wrote: post #63

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Syncthing is great (I use it for all my syncing needs), but it's scope is limited. It doesn't really solve file sharing in a user-friendly way.

While I agree Syncthing is about seamlessly syncing files with devices you own, not file sharing as such, it does a good 98% of what this program offers with a more open source background and is completely free. I share files, what, once a year? Syncthing works great for that use case. If I want to share files too big to email, I can stand to upload to Onedrive/Dropbox/an open directory on my web server for that one-…

Oh I wasn't arguing in favor of using this. I doubt I'll ever use non open software for my data again. Just saying I've run into problems trying to use syncthing for sharing files.

Re: Show HN: Duple – Private cloud at home

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Post by zelon88 » Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 7:54 PM UTC

basch wrote: post #98

zelon88 wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? Because anyone with a PC and an internet connection can assume their own hosting duties without all that. And if they really wanted to make up the geographic shortcomings they can image and encrypt their files and still use Google drive like everyone else. There's your redundancy with privacy. Cloud, to me, just means "someone else's computer."

Cloud is supposed to be where downtime isnt a thing, or isnt really possible (minus dns of course.) Someone elses computer, without failovers, will never be "always up." Someone elses computer is just "hosting." A cloud is a datacenter, not a server. Your own computer available from anywhere on the internet is just "remote access." Cloud has always meant either distributed computing or complexity abstracted away beca…

Semantics aside, are you saying that someone with extra compute resources shouldn't put those resources to work to store their personal data to reduce reliance on for-profit third parties?

What is your argument here? That people shouldn't be encouraged to do something on their own? That people shouldn't bother reducing their reliance on "freemium" or paid PaaS companies, even if they have the skills/resources to do so?

You seem to want nothing more than for me to admit that "the online place where I store my personal files" is not the same as a "Cloud" and in reality it doesn't matter what it's called. It's purpose is the same, and it fulfills that purpose well.