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Re: YouTube blocks recording of public domain Schubert/Liszt composition

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Post by TremendousJudge »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #89
stephen_g wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's so much that the algorithms aren't smart enough to tell, it's that Google have had to make the algorithm still match in the case of people altering music with filters/effects, time stretching, pitch shifting etc. - so it's been made deliberately a lot less sensitive to most of the factors that a musician brings into their interpretation. That's fine - it's probably necessary for Google to not be co…

We don't necessarily disagree, but what bothers me is when people blame Google for this, as opposed to focusing on the draconian laws that have forced their hand.

poor Google, making billions of dollars out of other people's work with an automated system where it's impossible to talk to a real person. feel real bad for them

Re: YouTube blocks recording of public domain Schubert/Liszt composition

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Post by root_axis »

twirlock wrote: post #46
dpcan wrote: post #20

YouTube seems to be taking the brunt of the criticism when it's the repercussions of copyright infringement lawsuits that are the problem. I'm sure YouTube would love to be more lenient. If they could say "anything goes" they'd be thrilled, but we know they cannot because of the LAWS that are protecting IP owners. IP should be protected, but to what extent? And the bigger problem is the amount, and rate, of which con…

Is there a single place left on the internet where we don't have to hear from some shill defending some corporation as the top comment on everything?

This is a website primarily dedicated to the creation and growth of corporations.

Re: YouTube blocks recording of public domain Schubert/Liszt composition

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Post by imihai1988 »

brokensegue wrote: post #76
imihai1988 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

well, that does not seem to be a very constructive answer. mind sharing some info/references on this specific one, or any others ? because I though it's a blackbox type of software

I mean how exactly they work isn't public knowledge. But we can be sure they don't just hash anything. It would be too easy to just add small amounts of noise and defeat them. Here's a reference I googled for you https://www.toptal.com/algorithms/shazam-it-music-processing...

I think you misunderstood the parent comment ( or I misunderstood your reply to that). He talks about about a signature (which is pretty much what it comes down to), not a file hash as in here's a hash of the file contents. That would be meaningless.

As for the reference you provided I know how shazam works, they pretty much made a blog post about it. This is not that. Not by a long shot.

Re: YouTube blocks recording of public domain Schubert/Liszt composition

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Post by cameronbrown »

nine_k wrote: post #67
cameronbrown wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd argue dotcom domain squatting has a big part in the lack of names available. Eventually, most startups that could use them will go bust and sell the domain 5-10 years down the line anyway, it's outliers like google.com that are always going to be taken. New namespaces like .app should help with the problem, but at the end of the day, the culture itself has a limited namespace. I've always gotten fairly lucky with…

BTW "Google" is a kind of good, inventive, unique name, rather unlike to be squatted. I wish more companies came up with unique names that are not common words. But have you recently visited pets.com, mail.com, delivery.com, or whatever were the generic names commanding millions in 1999? Pets.com in particular just redirects to a different domain, more trademark-able.

Yeah I chose a really poor example admittedly.

Re: YouTube blocks recording of public domain Schubert/Liszt composition

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Post by modzu »

dpcan wrote: post #20

YouTube seems to be taking the brunt of the criticism when it's the repercussions of copyright infringement lawsuits that are the problem. I'm sure YouTube would love to be more lenient. If they could say "anything goes" they'd be thrilled, but we know they cannot because of the LAWS that are protecting IP owners. IP should be protected, but to what extent? And the bigger problem is the amount, and rate, of which con…

"generate every possible sequence of notes"

do you have any idea how many songs that would be? your computer won't be finished in this lifetime

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combinatorial_explosion

Re: YouTube blocks recording of public domain Schubert/Liszt composition

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Post by SamReidHughes »

crazygringo wrote: post #24

Content ID is never going to be perfect (so there always needs to be an appeal mechanism). But I'd always expected that false matches would be due to some kind of hash collision, not different recordings of the same piece. Because YouTube doesn't know what the composition is, it only compares to other performances (which are under copyright). And the fact that two different pianists could interpret and perform a work…

I had a recording of the Revolutionary Etude, filmed on a phone (iirc), played on an out of tune Acrosonic piano (more a piece of furniture than a functioning piano), with no pedal usage, get copyright matched with a Sony published recording. I disputed the claim and that was it.

It's about as far from a professional recording as you can get on YouTube, except for some piano recital videos featuring ugly children inanimately reading their way through the sheet music.

Re: YouTube blocks recording of public domain Schubert/Liszt composition

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Post by EvanAnderson »

modzu wrote: post #96
dpcan wrote: post #20

YouTube seems to be taking the brunt of the criticism when it's the repercussions of copyright infringement lawsuits that are the problem. I'm sure YouTube would love to be more lenient. If they could say "anything goes" they'd be thrilled, but we know they cannot because of the LAWS that are protecting IP owners. IP should be protected, but to what extent? And the bigger problem is the amount, and rate, of which con…

"generate every possible sequence of notes" do you have any idea how many songs that would be? your computer won't be finished in this lifetime https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combinatorial_explosion

When constrain the search space based on commonly-used scales in Western music the space collapses dramatically. Given that there have been successful copyright claims made on short phrases I think the idea of exhausting the search space for popular western music becomes a lot more plausible.

Re: YouTube blocks recording of public domain Schubert/Liszt composition

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Post by brokensegue »

imihai1988 wrote: post #93
brokensegue wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean how exactly they work isn't public knowledge. But we can be sure they don't just hash anything. It would be too easy to just add small amounts of noise and defeat them. Here's a reference I googled for you https://www.toptal.com/algorithms/shazam-it-music-processing...

I think you misunderstood the parent comment ( or I misunderstood your reply to that). He talks about about a signature (which is pretty much what it comes down to), not a file hash as in here's a hash of the file contents. That would be meaningless. As for the reference you provided I know how shazam works, they pretty much made a blog post about it. This is not that. Not by a long shot.

I can't think of a useful copyright matching technique that wouldn't flag different renditions of the same song. That's my point. The failures of these techniques wouldn't be hash collisions but songs that legitimately sound similar.

Re: YouTube blocks recording of public domain Schubert/Liszt composition

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Post by dang »

root_axis wrote: post #92
twirlock wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a single place left on the internet where we don't have to hear from some shill defending some corporation as the top comment on everything?

This is a website primarily dedicated to the creation and growth of corporations.

That's not true.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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