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China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by chrischen »

idlewords wrote: post #36

China is applying a lot of pressure on Hong Kongers right now, including searching devices at the border for any signs of protest photos. The Hong Kong police have requested Octopus card records (the mass transit card that is linked to individual user IDs) and CCTV footage of the airport protests last week. There is evidence of information sharing between Hong Kong police and mainland authorities. The implied threat…

I don’t think border searches like this are out of the norm even by Western standards.

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by chronic829 »

theseadroid wrote: post #76
dangjc wrote: post #71

Why don't we form a new WTO, without China or other dictatorships, and only allow in democracies that are liberal or liberalizing? There's no point in opening our arms to China if they aren't moving on the right track anymore towards becoming a free and fair society.

Potentially because people have different understanding of what a free and fair society is.

> Potentially because people have different understanding of what a free and fair society is.

Simple.

Give people a choice which society they're allowed to live in. China currently does not do that.

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by eximius »

llIIlIlIllIIlIl wrote: post #33

> When the Chinese aviation authority, absurdly, accused the airline of imperilling safety because its employees had joined the protests, Cathay dumped its chief executive. Question: Is there even remotely a legitimate security concern here? Let's say in a hypothetical scenario, the unrest spirals out of control into a state of complete desperation. The HK government and the CCP refuse to compromise on any of the fiv…

If you buy into the mainlands propaganda, no, you probably won't be comfortable.

But the protests have been nothing but peaceful, so there really isn't any reason to have fear.

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by eximius »

llIIlIlIllIIlIl wrote: post #69
alteria wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What kind of incident are you imagining happening on a plane, and is participation in the protest a reliable indicator for the likelihood of it?

Imagine knowing that your people are fighting for freedom from CPC rule and mainlanders flooding into HK, taking your jobs and housing and driving up prices for essential goods. Then you get a group of obnoxious and oblivious mainlanders heading to HK on a luxury spending holiday demanding this and that from the flight hostesses. Now imagine being an HK Cathay cabin crew member making not so great pay and living in t…

You seem to be asking about an unlikely hypothetical for the sole purpose of legitimizing the actions taken, making the risk seem plausible.

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by chaostheory »

throwaway2048 wrote: post #80
chaostheory wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can do what the Chinese have done since the 19th century: move and adapt. It's what my family did. Easier said than done, but I feel it's pretty ingrained now when you can even find Chinese families in places like Africa.

It was much easier to move somewhere in the 19th century if you had the money. Its essentially impossible to move to another 1st world country without years (or decades) of process + usually a highly valued university degree these days

Doesn't matter. imo Chinese people can still adapt. It's part of the culture. My family came to the US as illegal aliens with no money and poor education (their degrees weren't of much use). We still made it work. I know it's anecdotal, but there are a lot of anecdotes throughout Asia, Europe, the Americas, Africa, and even in the Middle East (it was surreal when I met a Chinese guy from Saudi Arabia who was looking for a potential 7th wife).

EDIT: it wasn't easy immigrating the US in the 19th century

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Chinese_sentiment_in_the_...

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Post by wendyshu »

groundlogic wrote: post #78

https://www.newsweek.com/cathay-ceo-refused-name-hong-kong-p... > The Taiwan News claimed that Cathay Pacific CEO Rupert Hogg's decision to resign last week came after he refused to name names to the Chinese government when he was asked to provide a list of employees who were involved in the Hong Kong protests. > China's Civil Aviation Administration ordered Cathay to provide a list of employees who were involved in…

(Some say this version of events is an untrue rumor.)

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by ndarwincorn »

chronic829 wrote: post #92
theseadroid wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Potentially because people have different understanding of what a free and fair society is.

> Potentially because people have different understanding of what a free and fair society is. Simple. Give people a choice which society they're allowed to live in. China currently does not do that.

> Give people a choice which society they're allowed to live in.

By this metric, this would be a prohibitively small WTO.

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

chaostheory wrote: post #64
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The protesters are more working class than the richer HKers with multiple passports. Sure, they can leave, but it is much harder for them to establish themselves in a new country. They can buy a plane ticket, but then what?

They can do what the Chinese have done since the 19th century: move and adapt. It's what my family did. Easier said than done, but I feel it's pretty ingrained now when you can even find Chinese families in places like Africa.

Southern Chinese, especially of fujian descent, do this, which is why they’ve spread so far in SE Asia, Taiwan, Africa, NYC, etc...

Cantonese are also known for emigrating.

It’s still hard, and it sucks to leave home because you can’t get a good deal there any longer.

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