2019 has been a true _annus horribilis_ for Boeing.
Well, engin failures are not exactly the rarest of occurrences. It's just that given the context, every stories about Boeing will gain quite a bit of traction. It's probably deserved given how bad the company have messed-up, but let not overreact.
Metal shards from Boeing 787 taking off over Rome rain down on people below
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Re: Metal shards from Boeing 787 taking off over Rome rain down on people below
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This ended well, fortunately. But that must have been pretty scary. A 787 that is out one engine will put extra load on the remaining engine, if that one has gone through a similar life as the one that just dropped bits all over the place I'd not wager on the remaining one being as safe as when it was last inspected. That's a lot of eggs in one basket. And they don't glide particularly well either, though there are s…
A 787 that is out one engine will put extra load on the remaining engine, if that one has gone through a similar life as the one that just dropped bits all over the place I'd not wager on the remaining one being as safe as when it was last inspected. That's a lot of eggs in one basket. That's why there are restrictions on which RR engines can be put in a 787 as well as a reduction in the ETOPS certification. There've…
For such a critical component, I figured they would adopt the military position: "2 is one... one is none".
Re: Metal shards from Boeing 787 taking off over Rome rain down on people below
#93https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidnikel/2019/08/12/norwegian... The plane in question was a 5.5-year-old Boeing 787-8 with the registration LN-LND. The parts are believed to have come from the left engine, a Rolls-Royce Trent 1000, a model that has been plagued with problems. Link about the problems: https://www.theengineer.co.uk/rolls-royce-problems-trent-100... Cracking problems in the intermediate pressure (IPT) s…
> I'm reminded of all the jokes Jeremy Clarkson makes at Rolls Royce's expense... Rolls-Royce Holdings only makes aero engines, the cars are made by BMW.
Re: Metal shards from Boeing 787 taking off over Rome rain down on people below
#94https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidnikel/2019/08/12/norwegian... The plane in question was a 5.5-year-old Boeing 787-8 with the registration LN-LND. The parts are believed to have come from the left engine, a Rolls-Royce Trent 1000, a model that has been plagued with problems. Link about the problems: https://www.theengineer.co.uk/rolls-royce-problems-trent-100... Cracking problems in the intermediate pressure (IPT) s…
> I'm reminded of all the jokes Jeremy Clarkson makes at Rolls Royce's expense... Rolls-Royce Holdings only makes aero engines, the cars are made by BMW.
Is there a point you wanted to make or is this a non-sequitur?
Re: Metal shards from Boeing 787 taking off over Rome rain down on people below
#95Small shards (in great numbers) that according to a witness on the ground were burning or very hot sounds a lot like (pieces of) blades from the turbine or stator/guide vanes. In both cases it's a very significant engine failure.
Given that the aircraft itself seems otherwise undamaged, and people on the ground reported it 'rained' metal shards, I'd say these parts melted off the turbine and fell out. Significant but not catastrophic.
Depends where they land. Rain on a crowded playground and that's catastrophic for many reasons.
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#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't know if there are special rules for air traffic. But generally, the immediate operator (i. e. the airline in this case) would be responsible. If any of the manufacturers (or possibly a maintenance contractor) were to be responsible, the airline would simply be able to recover whatever damages they had to pay from them.
Being Rome and all... I could see a bunch of people with any sort of dings in their cars or windshield chips making claims in the near future :-)
Re: Metal shards from Boeing 787 taking off over Rome rain down on people below
#97So Rome has a science police?
Re: Metal shards from Boeing 787 taking off over Rome rain down on people below
#98Small shards (in great numbers) that according to a witness on the ground were burning or very hot sounds a lot like (pieces of) blades from the turbine or stator/guide vanes. In both cases it's a very significant engine failure.
Given that the aircraft itself seems otherwise undamaged, and people on the ground reported it 'rained' metal shards, I'd say these parts melted off the turbine and fell out. Significant but not catastrophic.
https://roma.corriere.it/foto-gallery/cronaca/19_agosto_10/a...?
they don't seem melted, rather broken/fractured.
Re: Metal shards from Boeing 787 taking off over Rome rain down on people below
#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
> And they don't glide particularly well either Nonsense! Modern airlines glide exceptionally well. For example a 787 has a glide ratio of over 20:1 ! http://www.lissys.demon.co.uk/samp1/ https://seekingalpha.com/article/2494925-boeing-the-airbus-a...
All a moot point when you're over the ocean :)
Re: Metal shards from Boeing 787 taking off over Rome rain down on people below
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> I'm reminded of all the jokes Jeremy Clarkson makes at Rolls Royce's expense... Rolls-Royce Holdings only makes aero engines, the cars are made by BMW.
>the cars are made by BMW. as of 1998. Most of Clarksons' jokes are in reference to the 70s and 80s era of Rolls Royce -- which is known among auto enthusiasts as one of the least reliable group of cars to have ever existed.
The 70s rollers were of their era... All cars were unreliable then!