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Re: The hypersane are among us, if only we are prepared to look

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Post by Erlich_Bachman »

zerogvt wrote: post #85
Erlich_Bachman wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would being completely aware of everything not allow one to function in a society if one wanted to? Does it imply that you can't selectively focus on things? Right now if I am to do the dishes, I am already aware of thousands other things and concepts and deep truths about reality, and sciences, etc. etc, but I can focus on this one task, it doesn't matter what I am aware of, if I choose to do it I can do it. How…

First of all, kudos for your nickname. A lot of what makes the society ticks -especially any society deeply rooted in materialism like ours today- is very hard to justify even when you are in a just-sane state of mind. See "bullshit jobs" for a longer treatise of that. Yes, you can focus better on the things you wanted to focus on but you would probably find it very hard to convince yourself to focus doing the work y…

So if I am starving, have no money for my interests, and yet have ambitions - and cannot find a fully fullfilling job, are you saying that I will not be able to go to a "bullshit job", because I will be under the impression that sitting at home meditating or looking at trees is more important than getting food through work? That to me sounds like laziness or victim complex, or a couple of other things, but really not something I would call "sanity".

Re: The hypersane are among us, if only we are prepared to look

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Post by Erlich_Bachman »

antonvs wrote: post #88
Erlich_Bachman wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean? (assuming it's about Jesus)

He exhibited petulance, short temper, violence, and extremism. Hypersane doesn't really seem to apply. That's probably because the people who wrote about the character weren't thinking in those terms.

You seem to operate on some other set of historical books and accounts than what is readily available.

Re: The hypersane are among us, if only we are prepared to look

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

nlh wrote: post #16

My interpretation of the point the author is trying to make: The 'hypersane' are those among us who have realized, for better or for worse, that the traditional things that most in a society strive for - material wealth, social status, conformity to social structures, etc. - aren't really the keys to happiness and that when you "awaken" (and become hypersane, I suppose) you realize that along with those things come s…

What you're describing is more what I would call "woke", as in, "wake up sheeple"; the ability to zoom out a bit from the day to day consumerism, political struggles, reality TV, social media etc that most people (seem to) be stuck and content in. Hypersane as described in this article is (what I read) when people go legitimately insane (like masturbating in public and eating only onions insane) BUT manage to come up with good philosophical treatises. Jung was fortunate to "bounce back" from his episode; others aren't so lucky and end up in care homes or homeless.

Re: The hypersane are among us, if only we are prepared to look

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Post by Erlich_Bachman »

benj111 wrote: post #89
Erlich_Bachman wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean? (assuming it's about Jesus)

If I claimed to be the son of god, would you describe me as hypersane?

If that is the only characteristic of Jesus that comes to your mind, then you have a lot more to learn about him.

If the state today was based strictly on religion and someone would come in and say "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's; and to God the things that are God's.", implying the introduction of the separation of the church and the state, you wouldn't call this man sane and a good influence?

Re: The hypersane are among us, if only we are prepared to look

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Post by soufron »

This strikes me as a concept designed to cater to those willing to place themselves above the fray.

As in "I am not crazy or asocial, I am only being hypersane".

In other words, it's just another way to rationalize the lack of empathy and the will to diss any efforts to correct it.

Re: The hypersane are among us, if only we are prepared to look

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Post by benj111 »

Erlich_Bachman wrote: post #95
benj111 wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I claimed to be the son of god, would you describe me as hypersane?

If that is the only characteristic of Jesus that comes to your mind, then you have a lot more to learn about him. If the state today was based strictly on religion and someone would come in and say "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's; and to God the things that are God's.", implying the introduction of the separation of the church and the state, you wouldn't call this man sane and a good influence?

I didn't say anything about whether he was a good influence. The whole son if god thing just doesn't sit well with being hypersane.

And being the son of God is kind of the 'characteristic' of Jesus, it isn't really something you can lay to one side.

Re: The hypersane are among us, if only we are prepared to look

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Post by feanaro »

fnord123 wrote: post #86
nlh wrote: post #16

My interpretation of the point the author is trying to make: The 'hypersane' are those among us who have realized, for better or for worse, that the traditional things that most in a society strive for - material wealth, social status, conformity to social structures, etc. - aren't really the keys to happiness and that when you "awaken" (and become hypersane, I suppose) you realize that along with those things come s…

>I dig it! I expect to see a lot of folks reject this notion outright, because, well, cognitive dissonance. If you've built your life around conforming, it might be tough to hear someone suggest it's all for naught. Be careful accepting the siren call of 'special truths' that put you in the in-group. This is the path of antivax, religion/cults, flat earthers, conspiracy theorists.

Isn't wealth and social status chasing the special truth just another in-group? Albeit, one that is dominant in some parts of the world.

Re: The hypersane are among us, if only we are prepared to look

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Post by bloak »

benj111 wrote: post #89
Erlich_Bachman wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean? (assuming it's about Jesus)

If I claimed to be the son of god, would you describe me as hypersane?

Some (perhaps most) historians tend to believe, I think, that the historical Jesus did not claim to be "the son of God". But I'm not sure that we're talking about the historical Jesus here, so this might be irrelevant.

The historical Jesus did, of course, claim that the world was about to end. (More precisely: it will end while some people "standing here" are still alive.) For various reasons (see the many books that have been written on the subject), the passages in which Jesus describes the imminent end of the world are thought to be fairly accurate quotations, though many parts of the gospels were inserted or invented later or clearly adapted from older literature.

EDIT: Obviously, that Jesus didn't claim to be the son of God in no way implies that he wasn't the son of God. There are Christians who believe that the historical Jesus did not claim to be the son of God. Some Christians would claim, I think, that Jesus could not have truly suffered death on the cross without ignorance of his divinity.

Re: The hypersane are among us, if only we are prepared to look

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Post by serpix »

Erlich_Bachman wrote: post #91
zerogvt wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First of all, kudos for your nickname. A lot of what makes the society ticks -especially any society deeply rooted in materialism like ours today- is very hard to justify even when you are in a just-sane state of mind. See "bullshit jobs" for a longer treatise of that. Yes, you can focus better on the things you wanted to focus on but you would probably find it very hard to convince yourself to focus doing the work y…

So if I am starving, have no money for my interests, and yet have ambitions - and cannot find a fully fullfilling job, are you saying that I will not be able to go to a "bullshit job", because I will be under the impression that sitting at home meditating or looking at trees is more important than getting food through work? That to me sounds like laziness or victim complex, or a couple of other things, but really not…

Your problem starts with having a problem starving. All the rest of your suffering follows from there. If starving for a bit is not a problem then looking at trees is bliss. Laziness/victim complex is impossible unless there is a fundamental desire or conflict against just being in whatever there is. The hypersane/enlightened/realized whatever you call it have no problems whatsoever with what is happening and thus they do not suffer.
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