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“Culture fit” is a two way street (2018)

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Re: “Culture fit” is a two way street (2018)

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Post by DocTomoe »

mpweiher wrote: post #43
throwaway42688 wrote: post #9

Throwaway account for obvious reasons. I’m mid-way through my first experience with this. Some warning flags to add for anyone wondering if it’s them or you: - You’re beginning to wonder if it’s you that’s crazy, despite successful previous roles. - Their conversation has moved from “we” to “I” (or “you” and “us”). - Your number of known unknowns (usually people- or business-based) suddenly spikes for no apparent rea…

I've had that (the gaslighting) happen to me so many times. "You didn't do this assignment" "Er, yes I did, here it is" "Well, you didn't keep me up-to-date on it" "Er, here are my weekly status report e-mails" "But you know I don't read my e-mails" Huh? Another good one was the following: I had assigned one of my reports a task before going on vacation. During said vacation, my "manager" pulls said report from that…

I'm intrigued: What part of German labour laws make it illegal to not tell you why your employer does not give you a voluntary payment (e.g.: A bonus)?

Re: “Culture fit” is a two way street (2018)

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Post by tatami »

DocTomoe wrote: post #91
mpweiher wrote: post #43

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I've had that (the gaslighting) happen to me so many times. "You didn't do this assignment" "Er, yes I did, here it is" "Well, you didn't keep me up-to-date on it" "Er, here are my weekly status report e-mails" "But you know I don't read my e-mails" Huh? Another good one was the following: I had assigned one of my reports a task before going on vacation. During said vacation, my "manager" pulls said report from that…

I'm intrigued: What part of German labour laws make it illegal to not tell you why your employer does not give you a voluntary payment (e.g.: A bonus)?

There are forms of voluntary payments, but a bonus is not one of them (despite its name). It's range is usually part of the contract.

You can cheat around paying more than the minimum bonus by picking yearly targets (quantifiable like for sales) which are absurdly high.

I never had a bonus, so please take this as 3rd hand information.

Re: “Culture fit” is a two way street (2018)

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Post by jedberg »

darkseas wrote: post #86
subakdoman wrote: post #79

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Interesting. I'm asking this question myself right now (crappy management+high stress but good pay/stock options). Of course the $ amount to satisfy 'worth it' differs for each person. Can you share your personal experience? How did you go about answering this question of 'is it worth it'?

I've seen this posed the other way. "How much money would it take to have me quit immediately?" On bad days, a grand or two would do it. But I guess this a combination of both love/hate for your job and any current financial commitments..

If the answer is anything less than what you make now, then it's really time to go.

Re: “Culture fit” is a two way street (2018)

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Post by snovv_crash »

twoquestions wrote: post #38
vfc1 wrote: post #34

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What's the problem with dancing with Molly?

Molly is a drug, so basically they said they got high all weekend. I don't have a problem with it personally, but a lot of workplaces do.

The issue isn't that they have fun on the weekends, it's that they would bring it up in a formal job interview. The interview is the absolute 100% best behavior you will ever see from them (bar a bit of nervousness), so I personally would see this as a major red flag.

Re: “Culture fit” is a two way street (2018)

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Post by mcv »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #46
vfc1 wrote: post #34

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What's the problem with dancing with Molly?

Presumably, the interviewers interpreted it to mean the drug. But another potential interpretation is that she's gay and laughed because she was uncomfortable with the left-handed admission to her sexual orientation. Perhaps she was testing the waters to see how people would react to news that she went dancing with a woman.* Perhaps it was a wild misunderstanding or perhaps not. I'm sure we would all rather think it'…

I would not recognise this as a drug reference, but even if it is, as long as you restrict it to the weekends, I see no problem with it. Dancing with a woman does not automatically imply LGBTQ, and even if it did, seeing that as a lack of cultural fit is kinda awful; that'd be using 'cultural fit' as an excuse for discrimination.

Re: “Culture fit” is a two way street (2018)

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Post by mcv »

hackinthebochs wrote: post #80
Auready wrote: post #77

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There's a big difference between using drugs discreetly and using drugs and talking about it in an inappropriate situation.

If its not immoral to use drugs it shouldn't be immoral to talk about it. "Trashy" is just an label for behavior deemed unwanted or associated with low class. But the parent (presumably) deemed using drugs not trashy by his own admission of using them.

> If its not immoral to use drugs it shouldn't be immoral to talk about it.

I don't think I can agree with that reasoning in the context of a job interview. I wouldn't want to hear about your sex life either, but that doesn't mean you can't have one.

Re: “Culture fit” is a two way street (2018)

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Post by ghaff »

hackinthebochs wrote: post #80
Auready wrote: post #77

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There's a big difference between using drugs discreetly and using drugs and talking about it in an inappropriate situation.

If its not immoral to use drugs it shouldn't be immoral to talk about it. "Trashy" is just an label for behavior deemed unwanted or associated with low class. But the parent (presumably) deemed using drugs not trashy by his own admission of using them.

It's also not immoral to have sex. It would be, at a minimum, very odd to share the blow-by-blow details of such activities the prior weekend with an interviewer. I don't think I'm being a prude to say I would probably close out that interview as soon as reasonably possible and move on.

Re: “Culture fit” is a two way street (2018)

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Post by jamisteven »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #33

This is a great post and so spot on. At some point in my career my 'review prep' (which was the time I spent working on my own evaluation of my year at a company) became answering the question, "Do I still want to work here?" I categorize my 'review' in four sections (which are each rated at one of five levels, needs improvement, sometimes meets expectations, meets expectations, sometimes exceeds expectations, or con…

Pretty sure every gig ive ever had would not pass your nifty requirements above.

Re: “Culture fit” is a two way street (2018)

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Post by heavenlyblue »

ghaff wrote: post #97
hackinthebochs wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If its not immoral to use drugs it shouldn't be immoral to talk about it. "Trashy" is just an label for behavior deemed unwanted or associated with low class. But the parent (presumably) deemed using drugs not trashy by his own admission of using them.

It's also not immoral to have sex. It would be, at a minimum, very odd to share the blow-by-blow details of such activities the prior weekend with an interviewer. I don't think I'm being a prude to say I would probably close out that interview as soon as reasonably possible and move on.

By my definition of “trashy” - it’s only “cool” to share the fact that you had sex with someone when you’re 15.

Same is here: I can imagine many situations where discussing the effects of drugs and your experiences of them to be interesting. But “I spend a weekend dancing with molly” sounds more like a 15-year-old just got access to sex for the first time.

Re: “Culture fit” is a two way street (2018)

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Post by austhrow743 »

vfc1 wrote: post #34
el_dev_hell wrote: post #15

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> Cuture fit is a blank check to fail a person's interview just because you didn't like them in the first 30 seconds. I hear this all the time. Yeah, that might be true in some cases, but it's also valid in quite a lot of instances (like the example you provided). > it is categorically impossible to establish in a 45 minute interview whether a person is actually a "fit" or not I've run/sat in on several trainwreck in…

What's the problem with dancing with Molly?

Sharing knowledge of illegal activities with strangers shows a complete lack of filter and poor communication skills.

Someone who drops that in an interview is going to be having HR complaints against them within their first week.

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