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Hong Kong protests: 'I'm in Australia but I feel censored by Chinese students'

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Re: Hong Kong protests: 'I'm in Australia but I feel censored by Chinese students'

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Post by xmly »

mullen wrote: post #33
Asooka wrote: post #9

Good. China has every right to control its territories and this includes Hong Kong. If the KKK were to stage an anti-Black protest in an American university they would be rightfully similarly attacked and persecuted. China is only defending its rights. Those HK protesters need to face justice.

That does not make sense at all. The KKK is not a foreign government sending its members to foreign colleges to censor students who are lawfully protesting in their own country. If Chinese students are offended by what other college students are protesting in their own country, they can do what everyone else does, ignore them.

Do you have evidence the students were sent by foreign governments? Where is your claim coming from? From your imagination?

Re: Hong Kong protests: 'I'm in Australia but I feel censored by Chinese students'

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Post by verroq »

abugheratwork wrote: post #63
CapacitorSet wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I fail to see how this would be of any help, especially the former. To me it looks like a feel-good action with virtually no political impact.

I believe the intended impact is to prevent pictures of oneself from becoming famous, by making sure that they are censored. The censorship trick won't work globally, and won't block authorities from seeing the picture, but I think the real goal is to avoid becoming individually well known within China as a dissident.

I think covering themselves with posters of the Tank man will work as well.

Re: Hong Kong protests: 'I'm in Australia but I feel censored by Chinese students'

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Post by throwaway8879 »

shrimp_emoji wrote: post #81
spectramax wrote: post #23

This infuriates me. Intimidation and hostile attitude towards people protesting in a different country is an act of barbarianism and should be condemned internationally. In fact, the way to combat this is to further enrage, fearlessly protest the PRC patriotic machine and "poke" the hornet's nest so to speak. I've taken the pledge to never visit China and avoid Chinese goods because of shit like this. The PRC has a s…

>avoid Chinese goods because of shit like this. Wie bitte??? This hurts you far more than it does China. Use systemic, not individual, actions instead (insofar as you can). Vote for political admins likely to respond to Chinese human rights violations, support protest movements, etc.

I mean, a single person's vote has pretty much the same weight as a single person boycotting Chinese goods. So I'm not sure what you. At least with a personal boycott, I keep my peace of mind and diminish the number of Chinese goods in my possession. Voting doesn't exactly have the same direct effect.

Re: Hong Kong protests: 'I'm in Australia but I feel censored by Chinese students'

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Post by o_p »

ceejayoz wrote: post #53
monksy wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Democratic rallies, too - they're propaganda.) We're in agreement here. The political pop culture is weird and celeb worshiping in the US. Compared to the propaganda coming out of China and is being pushed in other nations, it's like comparing a mountain to a molehill. Yes there is a sub-group that believes and endorses in the pro-trump beliefs. Are they valid/good/true? Who cares. Part of our basic rights means th…

My point is that China's done with Tienanmen Square what Trump's trying (fairly successfully) to do with "fake news" claims - discredit factual stuff he doesn't like his supporters believing in.

No, thats a huge exaggeration, Trump is not sending to kill or throwing to jail anyone who disagrees with him, forcing schools to brainwash its students, etc etc, America may have many problems but its not China.

Re: Hong Kong protests: 'I'm in Australia but I feel censored by Chinese students'

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Post by friendlybus »

lxe wrote: post #26
codesushi42 wrote: post #4

The violent pro China protestors should be kicked out of Australia. If you violently push your pro authoritarian views in your democratic host country, they have every right to kick you out.

Hot take: or maybe they should be charged with some kind of assault and tried according to the Australian laws? But no, you're right, let's get the pitchforks and torches and have them all 'git out of our 'country!

Even hotter take: let's buy and warm up some nukes.

Australia is looking to buy nukes on public government TV atm, because the next 20-30years of china's future is looking uncertain.

If a China war kicks off, Australia is going to be the front line.

Re: Hong Kong protests: 'I'm in Australia but I feel censored by Chinese students'

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Post by xmly »

A 'peaceful' protest is allowed then a 'peaceful' protest to your protest should also be allowed. If anyone broke the law, there are polices. Do you guys not believe in Australia polices and judicial system? Then protest against them. I believe in australia you have this freedom, right? Speaking louder in public place is not breaking any LAW.

Re: Hong Kong protests: 'I'm in Australia but I feel censored by Chinese students'

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Post by ceejayoz »

o_p wrote: post #94
ceejayoz wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My point is that China's done with Tienanmen Square what Trump's trying (fairly successfully) to do with "fake news" claims - discredit factual stuff he doesn't like his supporters believing in.

No, thats a huge exaggeration, Trump is not sending to kill or throwing to jail anyone who disagrees with him, forcing schools to brainwash its students, etc etc, America may have many problems but its not China.

Nor is China doing that in Australia. As described in the article, they've outsourced the harassment to patriotic, nationalist civilians.

A Trump supporter was at the Cincinnati rally the other day making slit-throat gestures at the press pen. Same sort of crowdsourced intimidation tactics.

Re: Hong Kong protests: 'I'm in Australia but I feel censored by Chinese students'

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

__sy__ wrote: post #80
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. But that doesn’t mean they still can’t require time be set aside for it and for it to be socially awkward to opt out.

> socially awkward to opt out random aside, there was a kid in my Texas high-school who stopped saying the pledge around the time of the 2003 Iraq war. While I didn't necessarily agree with the method, a few of us did appreciate the fact that he did that; it showed that sometimes the most patriotic thing you can do is not blindly support your government.

Texas even requires parental consent on opt out, so the kid had to have a good support network.

Re: Hong Kong protests: 'I'm in Australia but I feel censored by Chinese students'

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Post by xmly »

codesushi42 wrote: post #4

The violent pro China protestors should be kicked out of Australia. If you violently push your pro authoritarian views in your democratic host country, they have every right to kick you out.

Agree. But violent pro HK protestors should also be punished under law

Re: Hong Kong protests: 'I'm in Australia but I feel censored by Chinese students'

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Post by LiquidSky »

tepidandroid wrote: post #79
lxe wrote: post #35

Is HN exactly like Boomer Facebook now? What's with this "kick them out of the country" rhetoric? If people are assaulting peaceful protesters, arrest them, charge them, try them, and punish them according to the law. It's literally right there on camera. But no, please continue inciting outrage and controversy. China bad. Hong Kong good.

It's outrage-porn peddled as world news by the BCC, plain and simple. The tell-tale sign is that they didn’t bother to get both sides of the story. There are videos of the incident readily available on Youtube [1] which show what exactly happened. There’s one group of HK/Australian pro-Hong Kong protestors on one side. There’s another group of Mainland students exercising their right to free speech by playing and sin…

>The tell-tale sign is that they didn’t bother to get both sides of the story.

Why? Not every story has two sides. Here one group used violence on another that didn't. Unless you have evidence that the pro-HK protesters actually used violence first, that's the only side to the story. The mainland faction being riled up doesn't excuse violence.

Just because it's not a massive riot where the streets run red with blood doesn't mean it's not a worrying instance.

>The BBC article makes it seem as though the Chinese students strong-armed their way into the crowd and started beating people, which is objectively not the case.

On the contrary, it objectively is the case, as the first video you yourself linked to shows: it opens with a pro-mainland student in black rushing into the pro-HK crowd and assaulting someone with a crowd screaming and advancing behind him.

It's very strange that you're working so hard to downplay what happened. Not just downplaying, willfully distorting what the videos show.

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