Parents Give Up Custody of Their Kids to Get Need-Based College Financial Aid

Post by malandrew » Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 9:24 PM UTC

dmitrygr wrote: post #79

goldcd wrote: post #77

My favourite idea for fixing the cost of tertiary education, is for universities to "buy a stake in you". i.e. You apply for Course X and the university quotes you Y% of your income for the next Z many years. Say 15% for 15 years over say a £20k floor. Better students get a lower percentage. Courses with poor prospects get punished with having to publish higher percentages before you get in the door. You as the stude…

This would basically make art degrees and history degrees unattainable except for the rich. Not that I mind, but that is the complaint you'll get with this system.

Post by apsanz » Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 10:28 PM UTC

protomyth wrote: post #53

tzs wrote: post #34

> Borst said the university told the three students midway through last school year that their university-based financial aid would be reduced. “We didn’t hear any complaint, and that is also a big red flag,” Borst said. “If they were needy, they would have come in to talk with us.” That's reminiscent of what gave away Louis Colavecchio, who was ripping off Atlantic City casinos with counterfeit tokens. The casinos k…

“We didn’t hear any complaint, and that is also a big red flag,” Borst said. “If they were needy, they would have come in to talk with us.” Or, being needy, have been crapped on by institutions multiple times and have a fatalistic view. Well, it was fun while it lasted, or guess I need to get a job and spend time working to complete my education. It is amazing how many problems could be resolved by a talk with a scho…

Post by romwell » Wed, Jul 31, 2019, 12:51 AM UTC

stickfigure wrote: post #92

Someone1234 wrote: post #55

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The student is intentionally misleading the colleges about their financial status and the financial support they receive. They're literally declaring themselves financially independent while not being financial independent. That's outright fraud: > In law, fraud is intentional deception to secure unfair or unlawful gain This isn't clever maneuvering. It is unlawful deception.

This is not quite correct. The colleges are asking about the financial status of the parents, not the child, and making poor assumptions. Not only does this open up the system to legalistic scheming, it also seriously disadvantages kids with estranged parents. The colleges are not asking the right questions. It sounds like that's changing, which is good. But they're the ones making the rules and they bear the blame f…

Post by romwell » Wed, Jul 31, 2019, 12:59 AM UTC

caseymarquis wrote: post #89

TomVDB wrote: post #60

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My daughter decided to defer going to ‘real’ college for a year to figure out what she wanted to do: why spend all the money when you haven’t figured out things anyway? She enrolled at a highly rated local community college and signed up for some difficult classes and she was very much not impressed: the pace of instruction was very slow, the students unmotivated (not doing homework, not participating during class),…

Having attended both types of college, I actually had the opposite experience. At the community college, I was taught entry level classes by PHds who taught purely for enjoyment. The students were largely very motivated and professional. The university I attended was decent (top 60s), but all my direct interactions were with graduate TAs, many of whom struggled with the English language. The students mostly just want…

Post by riku_iki » Mon, Aug 05, 2019, 6:25 PM UTC

skinnymuch wrote: post #98

riku_iki wrote: post #70

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> That's a different situation than the situation the article discusses. These kids are still receiving support while pretending not to (for financial gain). could you provide citation? I think article says exactly that some students want to separate from parents through guardianship concept and try to push this through court, but colleges investigate and flag such cases internally.

The article.