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Boeing 737 Max ordered by Ryanair undergoes name change

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Re: Boeing 737 Max ordered by Ryanair undergoes name change

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I've found an easier way, chose an airline that uses Airbus instead of Boing. I only have to keep track of two identifiers and filtering becomes very easy.

which airbus planes do you avoid?

I suspect the filtering is Airbus vs Boeing

Re: Boeing 737 Max ordered by Ryanair undergoes name change

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> Photos have emerged of a repainted 737 Max in Ryanair colours outside Boeing’s manufacturing hub, with the name 737 Max replaced by 737-8200 on the nose. Now I'm worried about boarding any 737

This. And I'm starting to be afraid of ANY Boeing. This company is dead.

> This company is dead.

Doubt it.

For you perhaps, but the short memory of the general public, rebranding, and Boeing rebates (probably some generous amounts of heavy wine'n'dine), mean they will definitively show up at an airport near you.

Re: Boeing 737 Max ordered by Ryanair undergoes name change

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Out of all the possible solutions, let's go ahead and choose the one that further destroys people's trust in our abilities to make sound decisions! /s Ridiculous.

Immoral yes. Ridiculous no. People have a short memory and a strong affect toward symbolism. Marketing just pulls the desired psychological tricks to reach their objective. It works. Just like lying in politics works. Just like making corporate PR statements work. Just like in your face ads work. Just like showing boobs work. It will work as long as people are cruising in their life instead of trying to build it. It…

"It is worse than a crime,—it is a blunder"

( https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Joseph_Fouch%C3%A9 and https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Charles_Maurice_de_Talleyrand-... )

Re: Boeing 737 Max ordered by Ryanair undergoes name change

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> Photos have emerged of a repainted 737 Max in Ryanair colours outside Boeing’s manufacturing hub, with the name 737 Max replaced by 737-8200 on the nose. Now I'm worried about boarding any 737

Same here. If this happens, and my company is forcing me to business travel, I'm refusing to travel unless I'm put on an Airbus.

Fly jetblue. JetBlue is Airbus only.

Re: Boeing 737 Max ordered by Ryanair undergoes name change

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This. And I'm starting to be afraid of ANY Boeing. This company is dead.

> This company is dead. Doubt it. For you perhaps, but the short memory of the general public, rebranding, and Boeing rebates (probably some generous amounts of heavy wine'n'dine), mean they will definitively show up at an airport near you.

The 737 survived one serious design flaw decades ago (the stuck rudder issue). People will forget about this as well.

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> Photos have emerged of a repainted 737 Max in Ryanair colours outside Boeing’s manufacturing hub, with the name 737 Max replaced by 737-8200 on the nose. Now I'm worried about boarding any 737

Why? Do you think their safety record is worse than driving?

You're comparing apples to oranges.

Compare pilots to drivers or cars to planes.

I would guess that somewhere north of 90% of crashes are human error mainly or completely.

Re: Boeing 737 Max ordered by Ryanair undergoes name change

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Not ridicilous at all. Same tactics have worked for many multi-national companies after huge screwups and it worked. Just a few examples: https://www.businessinsider.com/7-companies-that-changed-nam...

United Fruits comes to mind, what a lovely company...

The mercenary cough I mean security company Blackwater rebranded as well. The School of the Americas (which is a US State Sponsored terrorist training organization for South and Central America) was rebranded to "Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation"

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Really? I was in a 777 yesterday and felt like I was flying in a well-tested, mostly modern plane built with well-understood technologies. That, and I realized 737s (not Max, obviously) have loud interiors.

> felt like I was flying in a well-tested, mostly modern plane built with well-understood technologies Given how much of its functionality is embedded in electronics and software, how can you know? Would a passenger be able to recognize if it suffered from the same flaws as the 737 MAX?

The 777 has a great long-term record. The 737 MAX started falling out of the sky right away.

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Same here. If this happens, and my company is forcing me to business travel, I'm refusing to travel unless I'm put on an Airbus.

Fly jetblue. JetBlue is Airbus only.

It’s funny how quick we forget things like the totally insane control scheme that brought down the AirFrance Airbus.

Re: Boeing 737 Max ordered by Ryanair undergoes name change

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On the one hand, I personally feel that trying to avoid the Maxes specifically, once they are allowed back in service, would be an excess of caution that overemphasizes the legacy of one issue. On the other hand, could they have found a better way of sending the message that they think the problem is passenger perceptions, rather than in systems engineering and adequate pilot training?

It's not an excess of caution, and it isn't one issue. This whole debacle has shown that safety is not a priority at Boeing at all, with misstep after misstep; we've only scratched the surface of the cancer running deep within this company. Remember, when the first plane crashed, they tried to blame the pilots. Then the second plane crashed, and they continued to insist it was safe. All the other nations' air safety…

I mean, its not like they have had a stellar record when it comes to covering up previous issues with their planes.

https://www.themilitant.com/1997/617/617_34.html http://old.seattletimes.com/news/local/737/part04/

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