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Oh really, that's interesting. Is that sort of info widely known among the HN user base and I'm an ignoramus or is it a case of some of the users of longer standing being vocal about Lisp?
No no it's not just you. I get this kind of thing from the HN community now and then too. I once got chewed out for not knowing who Paul Graham is.
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> There are people coming from nontraditional backgrounds into technical roles, and they, I assert, probably want a different book than the types of books O'Reilly generally publishes. ... and "the for Dummies" does not cater to them ? Or are you saying that O'Reilly should become somewhat more like the "Dummies" Series. Regardless of the name some of those books dont speak to the reader as if the reader is a dummy.…
I hate the dummies books too. People that consider themselves intelligent don't want to buy a book that forces you to call yourself a dummy. I'm saying there is another space for people that feel they are intelligent and don't yet have the knowledge about programming and could do it given the right introductions. O'Reilly speaks to me too, but I think there is entire population of people that aren't familiar with Tim…
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Oh really, that's interesting. Is that sort of info widely known among the HN user base and I'm an ignoramus or is it a case of some of the users of longer standing being vocal about Lisp?
> Is that sort of info widely known among the HN user base Paul Graham's essays are widely known among the HN user base, especially the "Beating the Averages" [1] one. Some of those who've read it know a bit more about the deeper history. And others obsessed with the "10x programmer" myth and they randomly stumble upon Lisp as one of the many "magic oils" that are rumored to make one into such a mythical creature. It…
I'm curious why you say this.
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Oh really, that's interesting. Is that sort of info widely known among the HN user base and I'm an ignoramus or is it a case of some of the users of longer standing being vocal about Lisp?
No no it's not just you. I get this kind of thing from the HN community now and then too. I once got chewed out for not knowing who Paul Graham is.
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I hate the dummies books too. People that consider themselves intelligent don't want to buy a book that forces you to call yourself a dummy. I'm saying there is another space for people that feel they are intelligent and don't yet have the knowledge about programming and could do it given the right introductions. O'Reilly speaks to me too, but I think there is entire population of people that aren't familiar with Tim…
Oh I did not mean to say I hate the Dummies series. I had picked one up, something on personal finance if I remember correctly. I was quite pleasantly surprised that the author did not speak to me as if I am a dummy.
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I hate the dummies books too. People that consider themselves intelligent don't want to buy a book that forces you to call yourself a dummy. I'm saying there is another space for people that feel they are intelligent and don't yet have the knowledge about programming and could do it given the right introductions. O'Reilly speaks to me too, but I think there is entire population of people that aren't familiar with Tim…
I think you're right about this. I'd much rather read LISP for Poets or LISP for Future Presidents than something with a title that is insulting or degrading. There's probably a considerable market for books that educate and respect the reader.
Why is HN this interested in Lisp anyway? Not saying it's a good or bad language, just don't quite get why it receives as much attention as it does.
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Lisp was a lot less web friendly then than it is now, especially compared to those languages.
When Alexis Ohanian gave a talk at Google in 2013 I asked him afterwards about converting Reddit from Common Lisp to Python. He said the Common Lisp version crashed too often. He even made a funny comment about this when he autographed Without Their Permission for me. I agree with you, the web apps in CL story is much better now. I am biased, now that I am mostly retired most of my fun side projects are in CL (with H…
I hope such an editing system could offset the power of AST macros due to the possible ease of discovery.
Macros unfortunately require a very skilled developer team to not cause mayhem, taken to the extreme in Go not offering any fancy typing or macros.
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Why do people tag the year on articles? I feel like hackers cling to the “if it’s not new, it’s not worthy” paradigm. Update: Thanks for all the replies, makes sense. Why downvote an honest question?