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IBM Closes Acquisition of Red Hat for $34B

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Re: IBM Closes Acquisition of Red Hat for $34B

#91

So IBM buys Red Hat for $34B, of which $20B are borrowed monies. The debt is priced at 1.05 percentage points above Treasury yield rate [1] which would be somewhere around 3.5% which puts interest on bond debt at ~$700m every year. Now consider that Red Hat had a net income of $433m. Even if they reach $500 this year, Big Blue will still be $200m short, every year. At the moment, IBM is trading down at -0.5% on an ot…

>Now consider that Red Hat had a net income of $433m.

I wonder how much of that is from IBM anyway..

Re: IBM Closes Acquisition of Red Hat for $34B

#92

I don't doubt the committment of RH to Open source, but looking at IBMs rather chequered history with regards to how they look to minimize costs, there must be some concern that next time there's a bad set of results, executive management will be looking for cost savings. There are plenty of examples https://www.thelayoff.com/international-business-machines specific example related to RH https://www.thelayoff.com/t/Z…

As the very good comment above points out, IBM will need to cut costs very significantly regardless, as they've paid so much the interest on the debt is more than Red Hat makes.

Re: IBM Closes Acquisition of Red Hat for $34B

#93
post #71

This is a great move for both companies. The doom and gloom in this thread is depressing. RedHat gets access to IBMs massive sales machine and IBM picks up a number of key technologies. Win-win.

IBM has been stumbling around trying to find its feet again for a while now. It seems possible that despite the advantages you cite that IBM won't know how to use them. Word from the inside is that IBM's own "sales machine" selling Watson for what it really wasn't ... was a great deal of the problem with Watson. The skepticism about IBM is rooted in their recent history.

Yeah, I have worked for two companies that were sold Watson as a cure all for their problems. I have never seen it actually do much of anything. Definitely nothing that could not be done with any old set of etl tools.

Re: IBM Closes Acquisition of Red Hat for $34B

#94
post #71

This is a great move for both companies. The doom and gloom in this thread is depressing. RedHat gets access to IBMs massive sales machine and IBM picks up a number of key technologies. Win-win.

IBM has been stumbling around trying to find its feet again for a while now. It seems possible that despite the advantages you cite that IBM won't know how to use them. Word from the inside is that IBM's own "sales machine" selling Watson for what it really wasn't ... was a great deal of the problem with Watson. The skepticism about IBM is rooted in their recent history.

Yeah, whatever happened to Watson? I haven't really heard much in a couple years now..

Re: IBM Closes Acquisition of Red Hat for $34B

#95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I certainly don't want to argue or appear confrontational, but wanted to ask you this: Have there ever been any situations where the acquisition of a smaller company by a larger one has resulted in the smaller company remaining independent? Or has there been any positives for companies like Red Hat when they get bought? Usually I hear or read the positive-yet-bland press release talking about how wonderful this is, a…

I usually put it this way: "Name one company that was better after a merger." I've yet to find any affirmative answer. It's good to have hope, but it's not good to be unrealistic.

Zappos, IMDB, YouTube, Twitch

Re: IBM Closes Acquisition of Red Hat for $34B

#97
IBM is all in on the multi cloud story since they missed the cloud memo, and RH openshift is their key to allowing customers to lift and shift from AWS to Azure to GCP etc.

Plus it's pretty clear they know how to do layoffs and that knowledge may be applied to RH soon to boost profitability.

Re: IBM Closes Acquisition of Red Hat for $34B

#98
post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I usually put it this way: "Name one company that was better after a merger." I've yet to find any affirmative answer. It's good to have hope, but it's not good to be unrealistic.

Youtube/Google?

Doubleclick?

Re: IBM Closes Acquisition of Red Hat for $34B

#99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I certainly don't want to argue or appear confrontational, but wanted to ask you this: Have there ever been any situations where the acquisition of a smaller company by a larger one has resulted in the smaller company remaining independent? Or has there been any positives for companies like Red Hat when they get bought? Usually I hear or read the positive-yet-bland press release talking about how wonderful this is, a…

I usually put it this way: "Name one company that was better after a merger." I've yet to find any affirmative answer. It's good to have hope, but it's not good to be unrealistic.

Pixar / Disney

Marvel / Disney

Facebook / Instagram

EBay/PayPal

Exxon/Mobil

Massive numbers of banking / pharma/ industrial mergers.

I will agree though that I can't think of a tech sector merger at this scale that worked out really well. They seem to work best at the sub $2B level.

Although LinkedIn/Microsoft is looking OK.

Re: IBM Closes Acquisition of Red Hat for $34B

#100
post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I usually put it this way: "Name one company that was better after a merger." I've yet to find any affirmative answer. It's good to have hope, but it's not good to be unrealistic.

Youtube/Google?

Profitable, maybe, but better than before? No.

YouTube's culture and ux have slowly been killed by Google over the years, and the platform is becoming more bland and homogenized as we speak.

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