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Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by jerf »

Zak wrote: post #83
maerF0x0 wrote: post #64

Or thinkspot becomes the youtube killer and we all continue on https://www.ts.today/ edit: I have no idea how thinkspot is going to play out. But if I know one thing about the internet it's that it's really hard to stop people from using it however they please. Attempts to squash mostly just result a shift of where it occurs, not the fact that it occurs.

> I have no idea how thinkspot is going to play out. I do. The uncensored alternative to a popular platform consistently attracts all the toxic users, making it a place nobody else wants to go. Voat is a relatively recent high-profile example.

That balance can be shifted if enough normal people get evicted, especially if the normal people tend to end up on some particular service, at least to start with.

Probably the best reason Silicon Valley can understand to start thinking twice about whether they want to deplatform all the non-SV-liberals.

(I initially said "conservatives" there, but given the discussion elsewhere on this page for someone who was deplatformed on Vimeo for reviewing animal traps because they said it was 'cruelty to animals', it's going well beyond that.)

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by belltaco »

stronglikedan wrote: post #51

First they came for the conservative voices...

First they came for the hate, violence and dake news promoting voices that happen be conservative.

There is are so many conservative channels that have been untouched.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by aphextim »

I can't wait for all the videos showing you how to repair your own stuff gets outlawed.

Right now it's 'hacking' or possibly circumventing proprietary systems that are trying to get you to purchase a new device or contact them directly rather than fix it yourself if you have the technical know how.

Today it's Software/Hardware and computer systems.

How long until looking up a you-tube video on how to repair your John Deer tractor or iOS device gets banned.

Take it further and how long until all repair/tear down/fix videos get banned from their platform.

Everyone is yelling, just repeal their platform status like it is going to change anything. They've used that status to grow to the size they are now and even if they are forced to go publisher it wouldn't change anything other than them being more brazen at the censorship in my opinion.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by AWildC182 »

Zak wrote: post #83
maerF0x0 wrote: post #64

Or thinkspot becomes the youtube killer and we all continue on https://www.ts.today/ edit: I have no idea how thinkspot is going to play out. But if I know one thing about the internet it's that it's really hard to stop people from using it however they please. Attempts to squash mostly just result a shift of where it occurs, not the fact that it occurs.

> I have no idea how thinkspot is going to play out. I do. The uncensored alternative to a popular platform consistently attracts all the toxic users, making it a place nobody else wants to go. Voat is a relatively recent high-profile example.

Unless they themselves are also terrible people, I can't imagine that they don't have some plan to combat this given how obvious of a problem it's been. They mention respect in the header at least...

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by writepub »

rubicon33 wrote: post #79
nudpiedo wrote: post #49

Not anymore a conspiracy theory. This is the actual big brother modeling our futures, a group of people powerful enough, with their own interests and their own agenda with access to most peoples minds/lives, and who already publicly explained how they plan to influence on global geopolitics and society building. I find it disturbing this level of censorship. At first, it was pedophiles, murders and violent criminal a…

I could definitely get behind your point if the subject were the government. It's not, though I understand the sentiment is the same. At the end of the day YouTube is a private company. Yea, a very big one with huge reach, but private nonetheless. Taking a subjective moral position is something companies have been doing for a long time. If you disagree with them, don't give them your $ (don't use youtube).

Expect, YouTube is a monopoly in monetizing video content. It's like asking an app developer to not publish with [Apple, Google] if they disagree with their policies. Sure, they can choose to not publish, but with that choice goes away the ability to monetize their app in the real world

Big tech has gotten even more powerful and necessary at a practical level, with none of the guarantees of fair treatment the government is bound by. This needs to change, pronto.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by deanCommie »

maerF0x0 wrote: post #64

Or thinkspot becomes the youtube killer and we all continue on https://www.ts.today/ edit: I have no idea how thinkspot is going to play out. But if I know one thing about the internet it's that it's really hard to stop people from using it however they please. Attempts to squash mostly just result a shift of where it occurs, not the fact that it occurs.

I know this is just going to be an opportunity for someone to post the "first they came for the and I didn't speak out because I wasn't " copyasta, but..

I wish the only people fighting against censorship by trying to build their own platforms weren't actual white supremacists and bad-faith pseudo-intellectual charlatans. (Note, I"m only placing Peterson in the second category. He's not a white supremacist. He IS however a reductive, regressive male-supremacist, wearing the mask of a classic liberal free speech advocate).

He claims to fight for a free marketplace of ideas, but only because his religious conservative dogma about men, women, gay marriage, and trans people does not hold up to scrutiny, and people have gotten tired of debating him.

Let's be clear:

* Google and YouTube do not owe the internet the right to access to an expensive video hosting content platform. They are a business and they are free to prioritize the content that enables them to make money * ThinkSpot has two agendas - one to promote "unpopular" free speech ideas in a "safe space" free from criticism, which is hilariously ironic. Two - to make Jordan Peterson money. If you don't think that's part of the goal, you haven't been paying attention to all of his Patreon activity and motivations for the last several years.

These are not the droids we are looking for.

What is the alternative? Honestly, here is a hot take: Kazaa

We need to get back to distributed peer-to-peer file hosting. But this time with more security, encryption, access control, categorization of content that you can choose to host on your node.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by mal10c »

Just thinking out loud here: it seems like Youtube has been restricting or pulling videos for a variety of reasons. Alternatives are great, but could still succumb to the same outcome. Personal hosting is an option, but not a solution for everyone. Maybe this could lead to a fun weekend project. Imagine something like MediaGoblin paired with git-annex. I really haven't given it any more thought than what I've just written, but could be a fun project!

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by simlevesque »

danShumway wrote: post #23
gen3 wrote: post #15

Does this mean that all the reverse engineering videos, con talks, prof of exploit demos, CTF walkthroughs', and fuzzing tutorials will be removed? What about videos showing me how to use tools like Twistlock? Will they be exempt, but videos about burp be banned? What constitutes a "secure" computer system? Side note, I guess its time to fire up youtube-dl. Are there any channels that need to be archived? I normally…

I'm not going to be able to take a look for a few days, but I'd be grateful if someone made sure that most of the Defcon talks were archived or mirrored somewhere.

https://media.defcon.org/

https://media.ccc.de/

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by abstractbarista »

Ultimately the solution is to remove the allure and income YouTube presides over.

Imagine if the top 5% of YT channels deleted all their videos, leaving only one describing why.

Nothing short of this will actually stop them from forever widening the scope of what is disallowed.

If the channel owner doesn't get income, then YT doesn't deserve it either.

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