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Re: Tell HN: Social media strike proposed for July 4-5 by Wikipedia co-founder

#91

I created Timelines - a social network that allows people to own their data. Timelines stores your data in a specific folder on your Google Drive which is sandboxed from all your other data on Google drive. Check it out! https://www.timelines.co

Not sure whether this is sarcasm.

Why would this be sarcasm? I don't understand.

Re: Tell HN: Social media strike proposed for July 4-5 by Wikipedia co-founder

#92
post #50

I created Timelines - a social network that allows people to own their data. Timelines stores your data in a specific folder on your Google Drive which is sandboxed from all your other data on Google drive. Check it out! https://www.timelines.co

You own your data by uploading it directly to Google servers?

It is in a sand boxed environment on Google drive. This is more of a proof of concept. I could potentially develop this further by:

1)Giving the user an option of where they would want to store the data e.g. S3, box, dropbox etc. 2)Encrypt the data before sending it to google servers.

Re: Tell HN: Social media strike proposed for July 4-5 by Wikipedia co-founder

#93
post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with you all the way until the middle of your third paragraph. You're not gonna suggest Mastodon to someone, you're gonna point to a specific community (probably the same one you're a member of). Only one set of rules you need to worry about. Federation? You don't have to pay attention to it at all. It's a nice feature to have for sure, but it only becomes relevant once you don't have people to follow inside…

I am not sure that being a global network is a problem. Instagram is a global network and seems to be doing fine (although the quality of the content has now declined). Personally, a global network is what I want. I already have the solutions you mention (group chats, Slack/Discord instances, forums, etc) for specific communities. What’s missing is something like Facebook or Instagram where everyone is on it and I ca…

You don't jump from nothing to a global network. You host tangentially-related communities in the middle. The more of them you host, the bigger your overall numbers are.

Instagram succeeded for that same reason: profiles set to private, no real name policy, people can't look you up in a search bar. It was easier to group up in small communities. The less that's the case, the crappier the content. Instagram was ruined the moment Facebook accounts were attached to Instagram accounts — it's just dying slowly, the same way Facebook is dying slowly.

The next "global" platform is going to be Discord. It started as a place to host gaming communities. People were subscribed to a few gaming communities, so it already made sense for them to join more communities that are available on the platform. Right now, it's no longer the place exclusively for gaming. Every subreddit has one, every Patreon supporter is a member of some secret one. It'll outlast both Instagram and Facebook for one reason only: no personal info what so ever. People can't find out anything about you by clicking on your username: not your real name, not your contact info, not even a list of other communities you are a part of. You join a community by being invited to one.

Re: Tell HN: Social media strike proposed for July 4-5 by Wikipedia co-founder

#94
post #40

I feel that even if everybody who cared went on strike, the difference in daily visitors would probably be in the error margin. I think most people who really care have already left the centralised social media or scaled it down to the point that a non-strike day is an exception. I do not disagree with the message, but I seriously doubt that this will have any effect.

I think there could be some useful purposes for everyone outside of social media: unifying those people, helping them find each other, mobilizing them to take community measures. I think it's safe to say that at this point we're not looking for another social network to replace Facebook or another search engine to replace Google - we need to start finding ways to work decentralized but still come together -this is go…

> unifying those people, helping them find each other,

So a social media platform for people that don't like current social media platforms?

Re: Tell HN: Social media strike proposed for July 4-5 by Wikipedia co-founder

#96
post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The solution IMO is not Mastodon or any of these fringe social networks. The main problem is the lack of an ethical business model in mainstream social media. That is certainly a problem and something should be addressed. But I don't think it is the root cause. The real tragedy is the lack of understanding that reality happens between the mainstream and the fringe. Most of the technology we like was created in the…

> because the Internet is no longer built for it I’d say the Internet is no longer optimised for it because the use-case is no longer possible for the majority of people. You can’t run a server on a phone due to power constraints and yet more and more people are using phones as their only computing device.

That is part of it. But the important point is that it is not inherent. There nothing saying that you can't be protocols for that. It is just beyond what the Internet was design for many years ago, and the de facto Internet today include proprietary infrastructure run by large tech companies. But it is generally even worse then that because today smart phone don't have external ip addresses so you can't connect to them even after the initial centralized wake up. So it is an absolute regression as well.

Re: Tell HN: Social media strike proposed for July 4-5 by Wikipedia co-founder

#99

I love this. Ironically, a great way to spread the word is via social media.

That’s the point. Advertise the hazards of smoking in the places where people smoke.

Using the smoking analogy, this passage from the article:

> We’re going to flex our collective muscles and demand that giant, manipulative corporations give us back control over our data, privacy, and user experience.

sounds as if smokers demanded of tobacco companies for two days that they cut the amount of carcinogens in cigarette smoke (and maybe stop putting nicotine in their cigarettes as well) - and then resumed smoking after 2 days. It comes off as weak, pathetic and insincere.

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