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An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

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Re: An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

#91
Can't really expect the corporate tentacles of the National Security™ apparatus to comply, especially when there's a slew of bright eye'd folks willing to step up to the plate to pay down their student loans by drinking the kool-aid and lube up to jump in bed with such corporates.

Best to hope for in this environment is to expect nation states to waste more and more resources toward such unproductive endeavors and exploit the gaps.

Re: An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

#92
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is straight up racism.

Regardless what you think of the tactics, the sanctions are an economic vise -- a negotiating tactic to leverage a position -- it has nothing to do with race.

It is an objective fact that this president made the central issue of his campaign portraying two groups - Muslims and Hispanics - as a threat to the United States, and his two key differentiating policies from his peers in the republican primaries reflect that - respectively his "Muslim Ban" and "The Wall".

It is absurd to characterise this president's foreign policy on Iran as separate from that background.

Re: An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

#93
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it's not, Americans have had difficulties getting banking in Germany because banks fear having US customers exposes them to liabilities. It's all a huge pile of steaming manure, especially that the US considers companies in the US liable for things that their holding or child companies do in other countries - even if the behavior is fully legal in the place where it happens. And banks and other corporations with e…

> This is straight up racism >> No it's not, [banks are scared if the US] Yes, banks are scared of the US. And perhaps the racism stems from the Italian bank, perhaps it stems from the US government, perhaps it stems from the Iranian definition of citizenship, perhaps all share a part of the blame. But regardless of who gets the blame, it most definitely IS straight up racism.

It is extremely shitty behavior, but not racism. The sanctions are in place because the Iranian government is racist and innocents suffer from that, which could in turn increase racism again.

Re: An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

#94

The US is almost at war with Iran so I personally find the title quite silly. The iranian entrepreneurs may soon find themselves blasted by tomahawk missiles.

Tensions hadn't turned into war yet, of course, nobody can predict there would be actually any war or not, it seems close. But even if there's a war, there are innocent people on both sides. We can't ignore the lives of innocent people because of conflicts between politicians.

>> But even if there's a war, there are innocent people on both sides

That's the very definition of war. Sending an open letter to Google and Apple seems a bit misplaced?

Re: An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

#95

I'll note again the snowball effect that the Google Cloud block has (Google Cloud totally blocks Iran on a network level). Now, your services that you host on Google Cloud are not available. Say you are Gitlab, and you host there (they do!). Now, if you put your Open Source project on Gitlab, that project is not accessible to Iranians either (as well as other sanctioned countries). As someone you spends a couple of w…

At work we ran G-Suite. Lead Dev went to Cuba for a holiday and was not able to use any of the services. Great for him, not so good for a couple of angry customers that got no answers to emails. He set an out of office but also said to those customer that he would reply to any queries ... oops

The gmail app doesn't complain that it can't connect to its servers?

Re: An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

#96

These sanctions are designed to foster resentment in Iranians toward their government. The seeds of this resentment are already blossoming in the post-Iran/Iraq war generation developing these apps. This generation is simply not capable of conforming to the religious zeal required of them by the ayatollahs, sanctions or not. The days are numbered for the velāyat. The funds received by an Iranian civilian entrepreneur…

It doesn’t work this way. Iranian government use every mean of propaganda available to them to amplify the effects of sanctions on the civilian population, and make sure that everyone thinks that the US is to blame. Sanctions that touch civilians is the gift for propaganda.

To the US credit, they were much more careful with applying sanctions to Russia: I am Russian (who lives abroad and doesn’t support our current government), and despite sanctions, I still can get the US visas, open a Github account, publish apps in App Store etc. I am really lucky I am not Iranian. I can’t do anything about the current government, Russia is not exactly a democracy, even if they maintain the motions and visibility of it.

Re: An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

#97
post #22

Iranians need to realize that if they don't anything now about their oppressive regime, they might never be able to. look at China, with their social score, Mass face recognition tech and surveillance. If there were no sanctions, you would be heading the same way. even with santions, it's just a matter of time until every authoritarian Regime in the world is impossible to overthrow. China will export its 1984 tech to…

I don't think the problem is "oppressive regime", Saudi Arabia is a much more oppressive and intolerant regime than Iran and USA is fine with that.

maybe because SA doesn't threaten US allies as much as Iran

Re: An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

#98

Please to all the posters, stick your head out of your butt for a sec, this Iran thing is not something related to just some poor dev unable to publish on their store, it is a world wide dumb reaction all started from the USA foreign agenda. I'll give you an example to highlight how f'd up is the situation, in Italy, country with a quite respectful relation with Iran, banks started kicking out clients (with a one mon…

That is the intented effect of sanctions.

Re: An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

#99
The 80 million Iranians are currently held hostage by two entities. First, it is their own government (which is by far not the worse in the world, being in Iran feels more free than one would expect).

The Iranian people are not the target -- Persia is a rich ancient civilization that's being repressed -- the West knows this and wants to see the Iranian people's massive creative potential unleashed.

Sanctions are designed as a non-kinetic force applied to pressure the Iranian government into a weakened position. The Iranian people play a significant role in amplifying the pressure. The louder and more vocal their voice becomes, the more pressure their government will feel. If the Iranian people want a change, the change has to come from within.

At some point, when the people amplify the pressure beyond the point the government can withstand, the situation tips and the people force their government to release. This is the effect the sanctions are designed to create.

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