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Two potentially life-friendly planets found orbiting a nearby star

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Re: Two potentially life-friendly planets found orbiting a nearby star

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> I know it's nearby on galactic scales but it's practically about 450,000 Earth years away with current technology :-) If we had the political will, the Orion design could get people there in, what, 200 years, and that's with '70s technology.

You could get their corpses there, sure.

Just got to make sure we put on the side of the ship, "Greetings from Earth!"

"They sent us a space ship full of corpses?" "Must be an intergalactic message of war."

That's almost as bad as receiving an unlabeled box with a copy of Misery in it.

Re: Two potentially life-friendly planets found orbiting a nearby star

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"just 12 light-years away" I love the "just". I know it's nearby on galactic scales but it's practically about 450,000 Earth years away with current technology :-)

Look into Project Orion. With thermonuclear bombs you could hit 8% c, which would get you there in "only" 150-200 years including acceleration and deceleration time. That is still beyond humans with present day life spans, but extend life span to ~1000 years or go full AI and you can totally ride the "devil's pogo stick" to stars Fusion rockets would probably be better. I mention Orion because we sort of know how to…

Do we actually have navigation technology to travel at 8% c without crashing into deadly space debris?

Or more general: Space travel isn't just about speed.

Re: Two potentially life-friendly planets found orbiting a nearby star

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This was my first thought, too, when I saw the article. But our thoughts about the effects of tidal lock on the emergence of life is little more than philosophy, having only one datapoint to extrapolate from, at that one not being tidal locked.

I think there are other loopholes. Imagine a Jupiter sized planet that had an Earth like moon. The Jupiter size planet would probably be tidally locked with the star, but the moon could be tidally locked with the planet, not the star. Given that, it would have quite a varied and complicated day/night cycle.

Interresting setup you mention there, the earth-like planets d/n cycle would indeed be very irregular i imagine, depending which orbital speed it would have.

Re: Two potentially life-friendly planets found orbiting a nearby star

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"just 12 light-years away" I love the "just". I know it's nearby on galactic scales but it's practically about 450,000 Earth years away with current technology :-)

> I know it's nearby on galactic scales but it's practically about 450,000 Earth years away with current technology :-) If we had the political will, the Orion design could get people there in, what, 200 years, and that's with '70s technology.

If I remember it correctly, the fast project would make 4 light years in ~150 years. So that would be 450 years (probably less, because it's on constant acceleration).

Re: Two potentially life-friendly planets found orbiting a nearby star

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"just 12 light-years away" I love the "just". I know it's nearby on galactic scales but it's practically about 450,000 Earth years away with current technology :-)

I smiled as well but with a slowly but steadily accelerating ship we can reach half the light speed and get there in 50 years. It put things in the realm of "possible" which is amazing.

Re: Two potentially life-friendly planets found orbiting a nearby star

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Stop teasing me, Universe - and show me the aliens already!

Let's just say a part of Mass Effect is real and there are actually many civilizations right now. What are the chances that we could even know they exist with the current technology?

We need to discover the mass relays first. Or the Asari needs to find us.

Re: Two potentially life-friendly planets found orbiting a nearby star

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Being that close also offers us a better ability to examine it. The nearer the star, the more arc-seconds (or tiny fractions thereof) the star will appear in telescopes. 12ly is ridiculously close! It also tells us something interesting. If we presume there's nothing special about our little corner of the universe, then the distance to the nearest potentially habitable planets gives us an estimate of how many habitab…

Yes 12 ly is amazingly close!

> If we presume there's nothing special about our little corner of the universe, then the distance to the nearest potentially habitable planets gives us an estimate of how many habitable planets are out there

I would put a slight caveat to this - I would argue we do know there's something "special" about our little corner of the galaxy, at least - we are in the continuously habitable zone - for example, there are billions of stars at higher densities closer to the core whose planets are likely uninhabitable due to toxic levels of radiation, GRBs, etc. So I actually might expect other planets near us to be more habitable on average than at least some other places in our galaxy.

But I also think it's too soon to know how potentially habitable these planets are, until we have a chance to check a bunch of other things on the checklist, like the long-term stability of the sun's output and the planet's orbits, the frequency of destructive solar flares, the frequency of asteroid bombardments (if there are no Jupiters to absorb them), etc.

Regardless the close distance should make it much easier to answer these sorts of questions than it would be far planets much farther away, and I'm excited to see what we can learn in the coming years.

Re: Two potentially life-friendly planets found orbiting a nearby star

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In this case it’s highly unlikely that there out there, that close, existing simultaneous with us. 4 billion years ahead of us...they’re either long dead or non-existing.

4 billion years, eh? Just about the amount of time we've had life here. Maybe they already colonized us, and we're descended from them.

Unless they colonized us with panspermia it’s about as likely as “intelligent design” they surely put in a lot of work in hiding the fact that they came here including engineering 3 billion years of evolution.

While possible seems a bit inefficient.

Re: Two potentially life-friendly planets found orbiting a nearby star

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Imagine being the child born on the ship on a crash course to this new planet.

And imagine you're the first ship to arrive only to find out a) that the planet is not habitable and there were some wrong assumptions about it b) that the planet is already occupied by a different form of life and there's no warm welcome to us

This is also assuming

A) Human engineering can create something that can last 200+ years of space travel. We don't even build houses anymore that can feasibly last 100 years.

2) People don't go mad and kill each other or do a mutiny

III) Any number of stray objects from asteroids to rogue planets that just slams into the ship and causes major malfunctions

d) Food and life support sustainability

I mean... there are SOOOOOOOO many more problems than actual politics. This is where, and it hurts me to say this, the politicians are right to say "are you insane?".

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