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Re: DJI RoboMaster S1

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Post by langitbiru »

gatherhunterer wrote: post #73
langitbiru wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are posing an interesting assumption. Your premise is girls and boys are "biologically" different in this robotics context. Your words: "the boys wanted 'to win'", "She enjoyed creating and personalizing the robots". If we accept your premise to be true, then we must cater to the girls so robotics can be more inclusive. Again your words: "creating and personalizing the robots in unique ways". Maybe DJI can provid…

The differences could be due to environmental influence or a number of other factors. You are reaching to establish a wider gender narrative. Children have different interests for a wide variety of reasons not the least of which is role modeling and social pressure. Anecdotal evidence is not a reliable basis for conclusion-drawing, especially when the anecdotes occur within a similar cultural context. You are trying…

Okay, I am trying to have a conversation here.

So according to you, the situation of boys like "more military and violent" type robotic toys and girls like "more creative" type robotics toys, could be caused by social construct (role modeling and social pressure).

In that case, what should we do as society? Should we let this social construct be because it is harmless? Should we uproot this social construct as society because this construct is harmful for children?

The second question is what do you mean by "let people be people" in the parent's context? Should DJI produce another kind of robotics toys (which is less violent)? Or if a kid who happens to be a girl and does not like "violent" robotics toys should accept the situation and just find another toy? Or she should learn to love "violent" robotics toys?

Re: DJI RoboMaster S1

#92

Post by deskamess »

rosege wrote: post #76

This website has a major flaw. When I click the buy button it says not available in your country. I was thinking about getting this for my nephew who lives in the USA while I live in Australia. I know I'm obviously a small percentage that is outside USA that could buy and get it delivered to a local address but it still seems crazy not to even allow that. I know I could vpn it but I don't think that should be necessa…

To mimic your use case, I went through a trial run and it does let you enter a non US billing address (Australia was a drop down).

Re: DJI RoboMaster S1

#93

Post by bubblewrap »

Mauronic1 wrote: post #88
bubblewrap wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Get your daughter a different toy, then, and let the boys enjoy their battles.

Are you feeling threatened? I was just sharing some female perspectives. If this wasn't so expensive, I'd buy 2 for myself. As a parent, I don't think there's a need to teach the next generation ok kids about AI in the context of autonomous killing machines...

Sure, yes, I feel threatened - because it is visible in many educational institutions that the only focus is on somehow getting girls into STEM. The boys are on their own, it is assumed that they will be interested in STEM anyway. Which isn't even the case. More boys than girls go into STEM, but many boys don't go into STEM or much of anything, really (less men than women complete higher education these days).

I have a son and a daughter, and I don't like that approach for either of them. I think if boys or girls are having fun, that should be encouraged and used as a motivator. If "killing machines" is what motivates the boys to program robots, so be it. Although I don't think this toy robot can actually kill anything, so that is just hyperbole.

And presumably it goes further - will I be blamed if I give my son a water pistol, because I encourage his toxic masculinity? Where does it stop?

Re: DJI RoboMaster S1

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Post by bubblewrap »

yayr wrote: post #83
bubblewrap wrote: post #65

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In what way are they better off, would you say? Btw Rudolf Steiner (of Waldorf School fame) would also outlaw ball games, at least soccer. After all, the ball could be mistaken for a head and it could train kids to kick heads.

I guess 1) they learn to have fun without the need to feel superiour (ball games need some supervision in that regard though) 2) they learn emotional intelligence, especially for activities that require collaboration (surfing not so much though) people tend to miss, that in the early years many inner brain functions and predispositions, especially emotional regulation get tuned for the rest of the life...

I don't think winning in a game has to involve "feeling superior". Many games of chance are also fun. In other cases, somebody might actually be superior (the better player). Then what - nobody should be better than anybody else in anything? Maybe the "loser" can try to become better, for example.

And it can also train emotional intelligence to win or lose gracefully in games, and try again.

What will your kids do when they encounter somebody who "feels superior" later in life? Like an actual superior, perhaps?

Re: DJI RoboMaster S1

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Post by mrguyorama »

usaphp wrote: post #41
hurrdurr2 wrote: post #4

Making the offensive component a central design element is... interesting. They could have designed a robot for kids like what anki did but.. this is what they came up with.

From my experience companies try to design way too friendly and childish robots for kids. Kids at age 8-12 don’t like anki looking robots, they are not cool at all, maybe that’s the reason anki went out of business

It was also STUPIDLY overpriced for what it actually could do (not much)

Meanwhile this isn't a terrible price for what amounts to a programmable ground drone and even is just a fun looking toy

Re: DJI RoboMaster S1

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Post by mrguyorama »

cbg0 wrote: post #42
mikl wrote: post #8

Damn, a younger version of me would have loved this thing. The remote-controlled cars we had in the 90's were downright primitive in comparison.

Those primitive RC cars weren't $499 though.

The original mindstorms set from lego was over $100 in 90s money and pales in comparison

Re: DJI RoboMaster S1

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Post by mrguyorama »

xiphias2 wrote: post #79
JustFinishedBSG wrote: post #49

DJI taking the time to write a page for the S1 in my language only to at the very end tell me "Not available in your region" is toying with my emotions and heartbreaking

You can always do dropshipping...it's sucks, but us non-US people are always second class citizens of the world.

It's a chinese company isn't it? You'd think they'd have a non-US worldview

Re: DJI RoboMaster S1

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Post by xiphias2 »

mrguyorama wrote: post #97
xiphias2 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can always do dropshipping...it's sucks, but us non-US people are always second class citizens of the world.

It's a chinese company isn't it? You'd think they'd have a non-US worldview

Generally they are quite global, but we see that they are China and US first.

Re: DJI RoboMaster S1

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Post by dgzl »

Mauronic1 wrote: post #86
dgzl wrote: post #28

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I'm curious, since you know your daughter's personality (and those of little girls in general) better than I do, how would the game be designed such that they'd be more interested? Keep in mind this is coming from a company known for making high quality drones.

I am not informed enough to even guess. Was it the first robotics ciricculum or the gender dynamics of the class? Or both? That was 7 years ago, now she is in an all girls high school. The same sex education has provided a much less distracting environment. (Don't want to get off topic but I could go on and on about same sex education)

So you have enough intuition to criticize this drone toy as being "designed by dudes" and not palatable for girls, but have zero intuition about how the game can be changed so your own daughter would enjoy it better? Do you realize how unhelpful that is?

From your own words, it sounds like your daughter enjoys being aesthetically creative rather than technically competitive. In which case, why are you bitter about a drone company being a drone company?

Re: DJI RoboMaster S1

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Post by dgzl »

bubblewrap wrote: post #93
Mauronic1 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you feeling threatened? I was just sharing some female perspectives. If this wasn't so expensive, I'd buy 2 for myself. As a parent, I don't think there's a need to teach the next generation ok kids about AI in the context of autonomous killing machines...

Sure, yes, I feel threatened - because it is visible in many educational institutions that the only focus is on somehow getting girls into STEM. The boys are on their own, it is assumed that they will be interested in STEM anyway. Which isn't even the case. More boys than girls go into STEM, but many boys don't go into STEM or much of anything, really (less men than women complete higher education these days). I have…

It doesn't. This is all because there's a lack of women in STEM, and people trying to find out why.

If we can conclude that it's society's fault (nature/nurture) women don't like STEM, then we can change society until women are interested.

If the reality is that women are uninterested in STEM from a biological standpoint, then it's harder to manipulate to get women interested.

The people who are most concerned with this problem are really fighting the idea that any of this is biologically responsible.

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