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Many Swiss farmers use honor system to sell their products

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Re: Many Swiss farmers use honor system to sell their products

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As a Swiss guy, I must say I only see this in rural areas. It wouldn't work in big cities like Geneva I think (too many people living in urban areas who don't respect our wonderful country and that's a shame).

I live in Zurich (biggest city in Switzerland), and know of several such installations in the city itself. "Cities" in Switzerland are really not that urban ;-)

In my hometown, a bit further down lake Zurich, here are two well-known such places, visible in google maps.

https://www.google.com/maps/@47.234931,8.6521491,3a,75y,13.9...

https://www.google.com/maps/@47.2063957,8.6876991,3a,60y,55....

Re: Many Swiss farmers use honor system to sell their products

#92
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, and the next logical question would be: what has changed in Geneva these past 30 years? Hints: individualism, globalization, multiculturalism. My father told me that when he served for our national army back then, soldiers just left their weapons alone in front of the train station while they were having a coffee before going into the train.

IS "globalization" and "multiculturalism" just euphimisms of "Those damn non-white people!"?

Not if you’re in China. But it probably has a lot to do with “these people are part of my tribe/ingroup”.

Re: Many Swiss farmers use honor system to sell their products

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The book "Freakonomics" details a similar bagel-selling system, where they would put bagels in the break room of workplaces, and you would pay on the honor system. After years of collecting data, the owner realized he had been doing a real-time, real-life experiment on how honest people are. You don't know WHO took without paying, but you can tell HOW MANY of your bagels were paid for. There's analysis of how it vari…

I worked somewhere that did this. Every month there was much more money left than bagels sold. We gossiped about this for a while. Eventually an anonymous note was left (paraphrased as best as I could remember):

"Some people are forgetful or hungry or in a rush. I don't want these times to sour this workplace because people grow to think someone is stealing."

Re: Many Swiss farmers use honor system to sell their products

#94
post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IS "globalization" and "multiculturalism" just euphimisms of "Those damn non-white people!"?

I don't mean that at all! I am simply suggesting that mixing multiple cultures, religions and belief systems is harmful to the identity and the self-trust of a nation. For example, in my city, they are building new pavements. They are building them high enough so a crazy Islamic guy can't run into pedestrians with his car (like one did in France and in Germany). As a Swiss citizen, I have the right to say I am not ha…

Van attacks aren’t limited to Islamic extremism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto_van_attack

Re: Many Swiss farmers use honor system to sell their products

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The book "Freakonomics" details a similar bagel-selling system, where they would put bagels in the break room of workplaces, and you would pay on the honor system. After years of collecting data, the owner realized he had been doing a real-time, real-life experiment on how honest people are. You don't know WHO took without paying, but you can tell HOW MANY of your bagels were paid for. There's analysis of how it vari…

I worked somewhere that did this. Every month there was much more money left than bagels sold. We gossiped about this for a while. Eventually an anonymous note was left (paraphrased as best as I could remember): "Some people are forgetful or hungry or in a rush. I don't want these times to sour this workplace because people grow to think someone is stealing."

Me too. But it was the opposite. Guy was barely making any money due to shrinkage so he quit the location.

Re: Many Swiss farmers use honor system to sell their products

#98
post #16

Even retail establishments with staff and security systems balance the extra costs of these “loss prevention” measures against customer convenience. The goal is never perfect security but sufficient security. Large retailers typically set targets on loss and try to minimize them, within reason. Farm stands that operate like this have simply found a reasonable cost/benefit trade off. (There’s an apple orchard near Bos…

Loss from stealing was called 'shrinkage' by retail industry people, in Sam Walton's autobiography 'Made in America'. As you say, they expected to have some. I wonder why it can't be prevented 100%.

Re: Many Swiss farmers use honor system to sell their products

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post #37

I ran into this in California at a small farm along Highway 1 a few miles north of Santa Cruz. It's a scenic ocean side rural locale but near all the big Bay Area cities and frequented by day visitors from there. There was a shack with a good variety of their produce laid out, with price labels. Up front there was a cash box, with about $40 already in it, and a sign that said pay here. This was late '90s. I really ho…

I've been here since the late 90's and the same self service stands that were here then are still here - there are several between Palo Alto and Cupertino.

There's also a self service rest stop mainly for cyclists that's been in operation for the last 10 years or so, between Woodside and Half Moon Bay. https://potreronuevofarm.org/bike-hut/

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