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iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

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Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

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I support Apple trying to turn privacy into a major marketing issue, but I think we’ve basically already learned that consumers just do not care.

Yeah, but what if the marketing isn’t for consumers? What if someone at Apple was smart enough to figure out that the rampant abuses perpetrated by privacy-monetizing Silicon Valley et al. were ultimately time-limited and would blow up eventually? What if Apple’s privacy-focused marketing was aimed at regulators?

And/or aimed at people like me, who will then go on to force/nag people around me to use more private/secure alternatives.

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

#92

I support Apple trying to turn privacy into a major marketing issue, but I think we’ve basically already learned that consumers just do not care.

They don't care because they don't see what there is to care about. Features like this show them visually how incredibly invasive most apps are.

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

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Not being able to repair your device is anti-consumer–in a vacuum. In the real world, there are trade offs: making devices repairable makes them thicker, more complicated, etc. Those that understand this and feel that Apple is compromising in the wrong direction have a reasonable opinion. However, there is quite a bit of misrepresentation as you mention: often “right to repair” people forget that this compromise exis…

Apple devices are repairable. They just don't make it easy for you to do it. But in every city there will be hundreds of shops which will repair it for you.

Repairing an apple device is extraordinarily expensive compared to many of the other brands because apple devices tend to have everything glued and soldered together so if of one part dies you have to replace half of the laptop.

Unless the device is brand new it is almost never a cost effective idea to repair an apple device even if the actual part broken is very cheap.

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

#94

Does it show Apple itself? Unlike every other phone platform, iOS does not allow a user to get their GPS location without telling Apple what it was. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207056 "By enabling Location Services for your devices, you agree and consent to the transmission, collection, maintenance, processing, and use of your location data and location search queries by Apple and its partners and licensees to…

Android has over half a dozen settings that must be disabled before the OS actually stops tracking your location and they are spread out to different menus. This is to say nothing of built-in apps like Google maps that have their own location tracking settings which, if changed, return all of the OS settings to their default activated setting. Manufacturers can have their own location services on top of Android’s. Up…

There is just one setting for location access which blocks it off for all, including OS services.

Please don't spread dishonest misinformation, there's no need for that.

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not being able to repair your device is anti-consumer–in a vacuum. In the real world, there are trade offs: making devices repairable makes them thicker, more complicated, etc. Those that understand this and feel that Apple is compromising in the wrong direction have a reasonable opinion. However, there is quite a bit of misrepresentation as you mention: often “right to repair” people forget that this compromise exis…

Apple devices are repairable. They just don't make it easy for you to do it. But in every city there will be hundreds of shops which will repair it for you.

Apple is lobbying and fighting hard to ban these exact repair stores so I'm not sure that's a great argument.

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

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there’s quite a bit of proper criticism also. parts and schematics should be available for DIY or 3rd party repair. it’s not all “apple is misunderstood “ as you are framing it.

Why should they be available for 3rd party repair? If ifixit wants to do a teardown of the devices and document them then that's fine. I think it's completely reasonable for Apple to require a certification in order to get manuals, parts, and schematics. When something like a cheap, third-party screen replacement inevitably ends in an "iPhones suck, mine misses my taps and shuts off randomly", it's Apple that looks b…

The solution to this is simple, the device could cryptographically verify the parts in it and if it detects a 3rd party part then on boot it shows a message saying "An unofficial touchscreen is installed" then the user knows if the touchscreen is working shit its probably because of that and if you sell the device the buyer knows what they are getting.

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

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Refer what other comments says about un-repairability of Apple hardware, or software slowdowns, or the inability to replace the battery on phones/tablets. The answer seems to be that Apple doesn't have a monolithic pro/anti consumer opinion, but just whatever is better for their business profits. - Do whatever they can to push people to buy more devices and more expensive ones. - Do whatever they can to make their iO…

Except that people are misrepresenting all 3 of those situations to make their point. Apple didn't slow down people's phones in order to get them to buy newer models. They actually slowed them down to extend their lifespans when the battery started to fail. While I do think that they could have communicated that better and that their current solution is pretty decent, it's a huge leap to say that this was an intentio…

Disagreeing with Apple PR (which you're repeating here ( isn't misrepresenting the issue. It's just disagreeing that Apple's official explanation is beneficial for consumers.

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

#98

Good gravy this would be an abysmal report on Android. In my experience many of the free utility apps and games I downloaded required location tracking for no good reason. I’m on iOS for that (and other) reasons.

LineageOS + Xposed which gives you MUCH better control than iOS. In particular there are plugins that allow you to fake certain info to apps, including returning fake IMEI and fake sensor data.

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

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What if the app works without location, but gives some benefits only if you enable it? E.g. a shop app gives a discount if you allow tracking you.

More than likely that would be rejected.

Is Apple going to know that an app is not offering a discount?

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

#100
I wish I could also give apps "coarse" information about my location. Say down to a mile, or even just the zipcode (5 digits only). I.e. if a news app wants to know what to serve to me, zipcode is quite enough. If I'm looking for pizza on yelp they don't need my exact location. That way on the one hand the apps can function, but on the other they can't really track you accurately enough for it to be terribly privacy-invasive.
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