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The Making of a YouTube Radical

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Re: The Making of a YouTube Radical

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It doesn't matter what those people you list personally believe; the fact is their speech and behavior is de facto functioning as an entry point funneling[1] people into fascist beliefs. If that isn't their intention, they really need to stop this kind of behavior. > they do not support white supremacy and think Nazis are racist morons > NYT still calls them "white supremacist supporting." These are not in conflict;…

>It doesn't matter what those people you list personally believe; the fact is their speech and behavior is de facto functioning as an entry point funneling[1] people into fascist beliefs. Sounds like "better not let anybody be right-wingers or they may someday turn to fascism!"

Only if "right-wingers" necessarily means someone with fascist beliefs. If that isn't your definition, don't imply that association by making them the target.

(for a more nuanced answer, see [1])

Re: The Making of a YouTube Radical

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> I was comparing hard to hard. "Hard left" youtube seem to be great people, whereas "hard right" youtube is utter trash. Or you know, that's a version of "everyone I agree with is good, everyone I disagree with is Hitler".

who's your go-to left equivalent of Jordan Peterson or PrisonPaul or Crowder? site doesn't let me reply but I can't believe you're seriously saying Chomsky and Zizek are the left equivalents of Crowder and Prisonpaul, lol Let's narrow it down to those two. Who's the left Crowder/Prisonpaul if not Hbomb? And if it's Hbomb, how can you deny he's better than those two?

I would nominate folks like Rachel Maddow and Stephen Colbert, both very effective persuaders who use humor and selective facts to reinforce partisan beliefs in a like-thinking audience.

Peterson and Chomsky I would say are in a completely different league, as they tend to deal in a high-dimensional representation of reality, versus the comically low-dimensional representation that is typically a common denominator of all cultural meme war arguments.

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The most interesting thing about the article is the admission by google that it wages an ai-powered war on humanity. Rather than paperclips, the most likely ai apocalypse scenario consists of an ai that modifies and breeds humans (what it considers humans) to do nothing but watch ads.

It will first breed and otherwise manipulate humans into believing only what the media tells them.

Re: The Making of a YouTube Radical

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Joe Rogan and Dave rubin just have casual chats with stefan molyneux on their shows where they give him attention and let him just talk. They just give a platform to a literal white supremacist.

I would be interested in seeing you make a case for him being literally a white supremacist. A convincing case would be: 1. a specific, authoritative definition of white supremacy 2. an example of a video demonstrating these specific (not approximate) beliefs Is downvoting a request for evidence for an extraordinary claim (to be clear: this is not an assertion, so you "downvoting to express disagreement" is not valid…

Stefan Molyneux? Are you serious?

Here's a video from him where he says he can't "argue with the facts" about white nationalism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWYFU7OMw58&feature=youtu.be...

Here are choice quotes with sources:

“The whole breeding arena of the species needs to be cleaned the fuck up!” —Podcast FDR2740, “Conformity and the Cult of ‘Friendship’,” Wednesday call-in show July 2, 2014

"Screaming 'racism' at people because blacks are collectively less intelligent...is insane." —YouTube video, The Death of Europe | European Migrant Crisis, October 4, 2015

“You cannot run a high IQ society with low IQ people…these immigrants are going to fail...and they're not just going to fail a little, they are going to fail hard…they're not staying on welfare because they’re lazy...they’re doing what is economically the best option for them...you are importing a gene set that is incompatible with success in a free-market economy.” —YouTube video, The Death of Europe | European Migrant Crisis, October 4, 2015

“...white people will bend over backwards to accommodate you, but when they finally get that they’re just being taken advantage of...you will see a backlash, and that backlash will be quick, decisive, and brutal.” —YouTube video, The Death of Germany | European Migrant Crisis, September 16, 2015

“...skills and abilities have not been distributed evenly by mother nature between various ethnicities and what that means is that when the shit hits the wall it hits some ethnicities a lot harder than others and then you get endless screams of “racism”...this is one fundamental reason why America is having trouble solving these problems is that everybody knows that if you cut spending which community is it going to be hit the hardest? Hint: it’s not Korean…if you cut social spending in America it’s going to hit the black community the hardest ...the black and Hispanic communities don’t end up acting the same as the white population or the Asian population...the media are compliant and willing to scream “racist” at anyone who points out basic fact-based differences between ethnicities…[and] you can’t deal with the situation until Obama’s out or until people understand that ethnicities in America and all around the world tend to act differently [collectively]...collectively ethnicities tend to act differently, they tend to have different incomes, they tend to have different rates of marital stability, they tend to have different rates of criminality...” —YouTube video, The Impending Collapse of Western Civilization, November 15, 2015

“One of the biggest questions in America is ethnic crime rates...and y’know the [Asians] are the model minority…[while] the American blacks and blacks around the world have truly shockingly high levels of criminality and the general explanation is y’know slavery plus racism plus poverty, whatever it is which creates this unholy brew...but as far as I understand it there are significant contributions that your field can make to help people untangle [why] there are such differences in ethnic positive and negative behaviours in society...American blacks have roughly a standard IQ below whites... ” —YouTube video, Genetics and Crime: Interview with Kevin M. Beaver, May 28, 2016

“If we could just get people to be nice to their babies for five years straight, that would be it for war, drug abuse, addiction, promiscuity, sexually transmitted diseases. Almost all would be completely eliminated, because they all arise from dysfunctional early childhood experiences, which are all run by women.” —Speech at International Conference on Men’s Issues, St. Clair Shores, Michigan, June 26 - 28, 2014

Even his wikipedia article has links to most of this stuff: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Molyneux

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While there are lots of "far right" channels out there, the majority of of the channels shown as screenshots have nothing to do with the "far right" or conspiracy theories. Looks like their main crime is being conservative.

I agree, ordinary bigotry is conservative.

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I don't think most of the people I listed are tame, I think they're "hard liberal" or "hard libertarian." One of the problems is that there are really 3 camps in most western countries at this point. There is 1.) the authoritarian left, which prioritizes racial and gendered identity, collectivism, equity, all facilitated by the state. 2.) the anti-authoritarian liberal, which prioritizes individual liberty, universal…

I suppose your own bias aside, these roughly map to - AOC/Sanders - Obama/Clinton - Bush/Trump ? I'm not american but it's no contest I'm "authoritarian left", I guess. If "universal health care" is authoritarian, sign me up.

Is it possible that a group/party can offer something you find very agreeable, like universal healthcare, while simultaneously being dedicated to installing unrelated authoritarian policies?

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I just scrolled down the screenshot section where it showed the videos he watched in one time period, are you really trying to say Stefan Molyneux, Paul Joseph Watson, thunderf00t and a lady complaining about "cuckservatives" aren't "far right" or conspiracy theorists?

I haven't watched Stefan Molyneux or thunderf00t, so can't tell. I've watched a few Paul Joseph Watson videos. I've also watched Shapiro, Milo, and Peterson, recognized from the screenshots shown. You can agree or disagree with the positions they take (e.g. Milo plays the extravagant provocateur for laughs and money), but where are those "conspiracy theories"? Of course in these days, everything is labeled a "conspir…

Paul Joseph Watson was an employee of Info Wars. Like, the whole thing of that site is conspiracy theories? I can't help but feel you're being disingenuous when you question Info Wars members being conspiracy theorists.

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> Google Brain’s researchers wondered if they could keep YouTube users engaged for longer by steering them into different parts of YouTube, rather than feeding their existing interests. And they began testing a new algorithm that incorporated a different type of A.I., called reinforcement learning. > The new A.I., known as Reinforce, was a kind of long-term addiction machine. It was designed to maximize users’ engage…

So now the idea is to make it so that the only algorithmic pathsways to information are to the sanctioned ideas? That's dangerous! Basically, in 2019, you don't have to burn books. The powers that be can bias the power of discovery and viral spread towards the ideas they like and away from the ideas they don't like. You don't have to suppress, just make the ratified ideas orders of magnitude louder. Or, that was the theory. Now they have to resort to mislabeling and mass deplatforming. This mental control scheme is failing just like the Soviet's control over official media failed: People will eventually see through the manipulation and stop believing it.

That's not to say that damage won't be done in the meantime. What's driving society crazy isn't some single percentage slice of economically disadvantaged under-educated fringers with theories just about everybody knows are crap. What's driving society crazy is the meddling in the free market of ideas. It's the breakdown of discourse itself. It's all of the perverse incentives to communication and other manipulation perpetrated by big tech firms that may or may not be monopolies. It's the meddling with people's speech by entities that aren't governments, but have more power and more tech savvy than most of them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE3j_RHkqJc

These big media/technology companies have been amplifying outrage, amplifying outrageous behavior, bubbling people into echo chambers to further amplify the outrage, and aiding and abetting the toxic mislabeling of ordinary views and formerly protected forms of discourse -- which just adds even more amplification in the form of outrage.

The problem is not the single-percentage fringers without access to economic power, the halls of power, and the ear of those who control the newest forms of media technology. They are merely a symptom. Look instead to the politically skewed access. Remember: power corrupts!

Look at the magnitude of how crazy society's gotten in the past several years. Who has the wealth, algorithmic/technological power, and reach to do all of that? The answer's simple. Look for the tickers with the multi-billion dollar valuations!

All society needs to fix things, is to actually have Free Speech and a level, non-manipulated free marketplace of ideas.

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Because the deep-right youtubers are white supremacists?

That's a cyclical argument if I ever saw one - plus adding the weasel term "deep-right". Yeah, white supremacists are scum. Why mention them though? We were talking about right/conservative youtubers here (in fact my question asks exactly about right/conservative). Where does the "deep right" come in? Are the ones shown in the screenshots "white supremacists"? E.g. Shapiro, Watson, Peterson, for a few I recognize. Ha…

What word would you prefer I use? I was trying to avoid painting the right wiht that brush by using it, but I'll not use that term then. The guy in the article watched a lot of Stefan molyneux videos and he's a white supremacist. That's what the article was about, that's why I brought up white supremacists. You go down that youtube rabbit hole and you just get the "race realists" eventually. That's the topic of the article.

Re: The Making of a YouTube Radical

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I suppose your own bias aside, these roughly map to - AOC/Sanders - Obama/Clinton - Bush/Trump ? I'm not american but it's no contest I'm "authoritarian left", I guess. If "universal health care" is authoritarian, sign me up.

Is it possible that a group/party can offer something you find very agreeable, like universal healthcare, while simultaneously being dedicated to installing unrelated authoritarian policies?

I don't think so. Got any examples?

Any "national socialist" that tried to couple free healthcare with racist ideas about who gets it would be making a mockery of "universal", for example.

There's probably a good reason why health care/women's rights/pacifism/environmentalism all go hand in hand, something to do with compassion and one's idea of where hierarchies come from.

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