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Re: Apple Sign In

#91

Maybe I'm cynical, but this looks more like a data hording scheme than a protect my privacy enhancement. If I use Google to sign in, Google and the app has that data and can monetize it. Now if I sign in using Apple, they are going to have the data to monetize. They may keep the app from getting my information, but that means that their data is better than someone else's data, so it is more valuable. Also, they are g…

Only if you think Apple is lying.

Re: Apple Sign In

#92
post #3

Disposable, anonymous email forwarding is a massive step forward for privacy. I know we've all been doing it for a while, but this on a consumer level is fantastic.

And being done by Apple, most services can’t just reject these the way they do with Mailinator addresses, since it would be throwing away a giant chunk of their revenue. Apps with huge consumer demand like Uber or Facebook could get away with it, but not the vast majority of apps.

Re: Apple Sign In

#93
post #3

Disposable, anonymous email forwarding is a massive step forward for privacy. I know we've all been doing it for a while, but this on a consumer level is fantastic.

If you don’t use apple, I just built this as a stand-alone product: https://idbloc.co

This looks a lot like 33mail (https://33mail.com/) which I've been using pretty happily for 4-5 years now (and paying I think $10-15 a year for, so a lot less than this on a per month basis, but they're not strictly unlimited)

Re: Apple Sign In

#94

Maybe I'm cynical, but this looks more like a data hording scheme than a protect my privacy enhancement. If I use Google to sign in, Google and the app has that data and can monetize it. Now if I sign in using Apple, they are going to have the data to monetize. They may keep the app from getting my information, but that means that their data is better than someone else's data, so it is more valuable. Also, they are g…

Who do you trust more _not_ to do sketchy stuff with your data, Apple or Google? For me it's unequivocally Apple.

Problem is, today I agree, 10 years ago it would've been a tossup, and 5 years from now, who knows? These "trusted central broker" privacy models are nicer than giving your info to dozens of individual actors (when you trust that central broker more than anyone else), but they also become a single point of attack/failure.

Re: Apple Sign In

#95
post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder how many poorly designed database schemas this will break that used email as a primary key/id.

I don't think you'll find much sympathy for someone who's software would break on such a change. That sounds broken already.

Yeah, it doesn't break anything. It just reveals that it was already broken.

Re: Apple Sign In

#96

Some sites now seem to check whether an address is valid from some database or heuristic, because a random email with a valid domain is still rejected.

There is definitely a phenomenon of checking for prohibited email domains. However, absent extra-functional motivations like user data collection, smart developers don't bother with heuristics for email addresses much beyond the presence of an '@' character.

If you want to know if a purported email address is deliverable, try to deliver email to it.

Re: Apple Sign In

#97

Maybe I'm cynical, but this looks more like a data hording scheme than a protect my privacy enhancement. If I use Google to sign in, Google and the app has that data and can monetize it. Now if I sign in using Apple, they are going to have the data to monetize. They may keep the app from getting my information, but that means that their data is better than someone else's data, so it is more valuable. Also, they are g…

Who do you trust more _not_ to do sketchy stuff with your data, Apple or Google? For me it's unequivocally Apple.

The company that did not deliberately remove the phrase "Don't be evil" from their values.

Re: Apple Sign In

#98
post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who do you trust more _not_ to do sketchy stuff with your data, Apple or Google? For me it's unequivocally Apple.

Problem is, today I agree, 10 years ago it would've been a tossup, and 5 years from now, who knows? These "trusted central broker" privacy models are nicer than giving your info to dozens of individual actors (when you trust that central broker more than anyone else), but they also become a single point of attack/failure.

You will never be able to know the future, you can only make decisions based on information available now.

Re: Apple Sign In

#99

Privacy BS. This is their way of tracking you around the web.

Why would they need to do this?

Gives them valuable insight on user priority & needs. One who has it controls the web. This is what Google has and Apple wants it too.

Only difference is Apple won’t sell it, just use it to refine its product service mix. Google/FB do both besides preempting/ buying emerging competitors.

Re: Apple Sign In

#100

Maybe I'm cynical, but this looks more like a data hording scheme than a protect my privacy enhancement. If I use Google to sign in, Google and the app has that data and can monetize it. Now if I sign in using Apple, they are going to have the data to monetize. They may keep the app from getting my information, but that means that their data is better than someone else's data, so it is more valuable. Also, they are g…

Who do you trust more _not_ to do sketchy stuff with your data, Apple or Google? For me it's unequivocally Apple.

Neither would be the only sane choice. Multinational corporations will always screw individual customers for profit.

And the issue with trusting any entity with data isn't really what it will do with it today. The bigger problem is what the entity will do with it tomorrow - under new leadership.

It might also be interesting to know that Apple is also in the business of selling "relevant adds". Its a tiny amount if compared to Google, but gives them the same incentives if the platform ever became the most used one around the globe. That danger is basically nonexistent considering the pricing of Apple devices but makes most claims of apples trustworthiness pretty hollow.

Some of Apple's services use end-to-end encryption. That makes them better from a privacy angle than Google for example... But still... Don't trust multinational corporations. That can never end well

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