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There are lots of clues that indicates they have the right guy, or one of the guys. For intellectual honesty "commit espionage against the United States" is not the choice of words I'd use.

Why mince words? It's literally the definition of espionage. Intentionally collecting secret material and distributing it is simply spying. He may have thought he was serving some higher good, but that's hardly uncommon among spies.

The root of the prosecution for distributing secrets lies in the espionage act (plus amendments).

When I say someone is a spy I mean "someone sold secrets to a foreign power". When a US judge says someone is a spy it roughly means "someone divulged classified information and/or ....".

The law considers divulging secrets as espionage because loose lips sink ships: using the espionage act to prosecute anyone posing a threat to national security is the easiest (and practical) way to make a danger harmless.

The main issue with defining espionage like this is the logical confusion that creates in people: quoting Daniel Ellsberg "the current state of whistleblowing prosecutions under the Espionage Act makes a truly fair trial wholly unavailable to an American who has exposed classified wrongdoing".

It's not my job to rule if someone is a whistleblower, a spy, or someone who protests against things he deems wrong through the disclosure of classified material. What I know is that the US law is bad because it does not distinguish between "someone who sold secrets to a foreign power" and "someone who divulged classified information": these are fundamentally different (illegal) things.

The whole situation gets worse when anybody gets to read stuff like "5. FBI told plaintiff they could not afford another Snowden" and "6. FBI steal plaintiff's cell phone and passport" (https://imgur.com/RMJk7QC).

It's ironic that the onion is "ciadotgov + 4SJW + __ ".

Re: CIA’s Latest Layer: An Onion Site

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I have a question for the HN audience. Many here have gone to top schools and studied crypto, ML, etc with the best. And are probably the best in their field. Do you currently work for any three letter agencies? Did your smartest colleagues go to work at three letter agencies? I am trying to gauge the quality of talent at CIA, NSA, FBI, etc. All of my best colleagues went to the private sector, usually tech or securi…

A lot are grabbed out of college or post military. These agencies and governement research centers want degrees, but they are willing to grow desired skills in-house. The most common new employee is someone hired for their potential, with experience much more highly valued in the private sector. There are ex-Googlers and such as well, but they're not super common. One guy said he got bored at Google because he was re…

> The most common new employee is someone hired for their potential, with experience much more highly valued in the private sector.

This makes a lot of sense if the state of the art inside the agency is sufficiently ahead of that outside - experience would be in the wrong stuff.

It might also make sense if they want to pretend that is the case.

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#93

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These would be great mental exercises for me to complete while I fill out paperwork, unlike the other millennials who are too afraid to step up to the plate (printer?).

>> unlike the other millennials who are too afraid A serious consideration for recruiters working for these agencies is that millennial truly fear the interview process. They believe that the NSA/CIA has their entire browsing history on file, that the interview process may see them confronted by some awful website they visited late one night in their teens. Or they fear any examination of their past may be shared wit…

I was joking about the assertion that millennials refuse to do paperwork, but you are absolutely correct. I currently work at a place that required a government background check due to exposure to confidential information, and even though I have done nothing to warrant anxiety surrounding this, I genuinely was a bit afraid. I have heard many of my peers (college aged students) agree that they would never apply to a three-letter agency because of the same fear.

Having recruiters that further disparage the newer generations and grow increasingly out of touch is doing nothing to boost their numbers, at least in my field. Everyone I know who would be a best fit for their agency is a privacy geek who wants nothing to do with them. Outreach would be an incredibly lucrative opportunity for them to gain talent.

Re: CIA’s Latest Layer: An Onion Site

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I have a question for the HN audience. Many here have gone to top schools and studied crypto, ML, etc with the best. And are probably the best in their field. Do you currently work for any three letter agencies? Did your smartest colleagues go to work at three letter agencies? I am trying to gauge the quality of talent at CIA, NSA, FBI, etc. All of my best colleagues went to the private sector, usually tech or securi…

If you qualify for a security clearance then you will qualify for jobs which require a security clearance. This means that you are basically recession proof. You will be competing (if that's an applicable word) against a smaller pool of applicants in a market (if that's an applicable word) which is protected by the full faith and credit of the US government.

https://www.clearancejobs.com/

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> The main question I have is why the agencies are able to pay such low salaries, sometimes even in urban areas, no bonuses, etc. I grew up in DC and have a bunch of friends that went to work for the Federal Government. Not in these types of agencies, but nonetheless instructive I think. The incentives at these places are completely different. Pay is somewhat low at start but it's rock solid stable and grows predicta…

government shutdown / furlough proves that that gov jobs arent stable.

Government employees got back pay, so as long as they're financially stable to start with they experienced no lasting consequences as a result of the shutdown. (Unfortunately the same isn't true for government contractors who were unable to work due to the shutdown.) The last shutdown was also a historically unprecedented event. While shutdowns had occurred before, they were never on the scale of the latest one.

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It's probably more lucrative to work for the NSA then Google.

Its still a govt. organization and pay scales are capped.

I'm (still, despite the downvoting) suggesting one which I believe to offer a better route to gain experience, then the other which it seems everyone agrees generally pays better but perhaps more so in experienced roles.

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Yep. GCHQ was recruiting on our CS course and the starting pay they offered was within £30-35k range. Working for literally any IT company in the region would pay more. (obviously there are perks working for the government that the private industry cannot match, so for some people lower pay is acceptable)

Don't forget the (massive) tax benefits as government employee. To get the same net amount at the end of the month, in Germany you would have to make several thousand € more per year in the private sector. In the end, you are still right but it's still a factor.

> Don't forget the (massive) tax benefits as government employee.

I’m lost, what are those in the UK?

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Yep. GCHQ was recruiting on our CS course and the starting pay they offered was within £30-35k range. Working for literally any IT company in the region would pay more. (obviously there are perks working for the government that the private industry cannot match, so for some people lower pay is acceptable)

Not only that, but the senior technical role they hire for, Lead Software Engineer, maxes out at £56,984. I know a handful of people who've gone from GCHQ to my company, and they seem satisfied with forgoing the government pension in exchange for tripling their salary.

where in the uk can i make 170k as a software engineer? or even 110k?

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These would be great mental exercises for me to complete while I fill out paperwork, unlike the other millennials who are too afraid to step up to the plate (printer?).

>> unlike the other millennials who are too afraid A serious consideration for recruiters working for these agencies is that millennial truly fear the interview process. They believe that the NSA/CIA has their entire browsing history on file, that the interview process may see them confronted by some awful website they visited late one night in their teens. Or they fear any examination of their past may be shared wit…

> They believe that the NSA/CIA has their entire browsing history on file, that the interview process may see them confronted by some awful website they visited late one night in their teens.

Even if they had this information, the most likely strike would be if you lied about it rather than if you actually did it.

They are fully aware of the range of behavior that humans are capable of, perhaps in a way that many 25 yos are not.

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If you're well credentialed, tech-smart, greedy, and morally bankrupt, it's probably more lucrative to work for Google than the NSA.

It's probably more lucrative to work for the NSA then Google.

NSA has very low pay compared to any private company.
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