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What is the role of meat in a healthy diet?

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Re: What is the role of meat in a healthy diet?

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> I find myself unable to justify the cruelty of meat production I understand this argument, but it doesn't apply to all meat I suppose. Conversely, eggs/dairy also often involves cruel treatment. Not to say your choice is wrong, I'm just wondering what's the most rationale way of dealing with these aspects.

It's a lot easier and more affordable to source eggs and dairy from humane sources than it is to source meat.

Sadly there is no such thing as humane dairy or eggs.

Cows are identical to human women when it comes to milk production. They are therefore forcibly impregnated (in hardware called "rape rack"), then they carry their child for 9 months and the calf gets taken away in first 24 hours - as they'd "steal" the milk we want to sell. Cows visibly grief when that happens. If the calf was a boy he's sold as veal, slaughtered in his 6th week of life. If the calf is a girl she follows her mom's path. Lastly when dairy cow is spent - can no longer produce milk after 5 or more pregnancies - they are slaughtered and their meat is used for pets (dogs and cats) food.

There are rarely dairy farms that avoid some of those actions but none that does not do any.

As for eggs, to produce hens we need to breed chickens. Statistically half of them are cocks and are useless for most of the industry so they are macerated (blended alive) as soon as they are born and turned into pate or pets food. Traditionally hens have been able to lay one egg per month. Using selective breeding, feeding methods and artifical light they now do it nearly every day. The process is very painful and impacts their health a lot. It's similar to period of a human woman. Imagine having that every day.

So in short, if you dig a bit all animal exploitation we do is abhorrent, especially when we now know it's absolutely unucessary and done for pure pleasure. Any other abuse wouldn't be treated so leniently by so many people.

Re: What is the role of meat in a healthy diet?

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I stopped eating meat 6 years ago. I miss it, but decided to try going veg-only + eggs/dairy and see how it impacted my life. If I found myself unable to keep up with my exercise routines (bicycling and sporadic weight work), I'd have stopped. But it really didn't affect things, and I find myself unable to justify the cruelty of meat production. One note: I did notice that it's tougher to control carb intake while ea…

I stopped eating meat ~4 years ago, but still eat eggs and a limited amount of dairy. I occasionally eat fish when abroad or when there's no other healthy option (maybe it happens once every month or two). I haven't seen any impact on my health and I exercise regularly. Apart from the obvious cruelty / environmental impact etc... What I like about being vegetarian (or mostly veggie) is that I started to eat a lot of…

Vegan diet alone does not bring a ton of benefits. True health benefits happen only when you eat whole food plant based diet.

Remember that fries and soy mayo are vegan. Nobody will call that healthy though.

Re: What is the role of meat in a healthy diet?

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I don't see how getting enough protein on a vegan diet would be a problem, especially when you mention plant-based protein powder. I think healthy calories may be an issue if you don't include nuts and seeds, but as long as you cover your energy needs from vegetable sources you get enough protein and enough of all essential amino acids. You didn't mention this, but protein combination is a myth, and only very few veg…

The real stinger for vegan diets, but also poor meat based ones is lack of certain known micronutrients. Mostly D, B12. Potentially also potassium, magnesium, molybdenum. Some investigational ones like boron as well. This is because he of the food chain is deprived and in case of D and B12 these really are not available in plant sources only.

Animals that haven't eaten natural diet and haven't seen the sun get B12 shots before slaughter. 99% of meat consumed is so poor that majority of population is B12 and vitamin D deficient despite eating it regularly.
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