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Study Pinpoints Source of Banned Gas That Saps Ozone Layer: Eastern China

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Re: Study Pinpoints Source of Banned Gas That Saps Ozone Layer: Eastern China

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internet_user wrote: post #48
roywiggins wrote: post #40

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A lot of awful things happen because people are just negligent, desperate, and ignorant. Perhaps a lot of the radioactive scrap is being created knowingly, I don't know. When there are well-documented incidents like this, I can imagine this happening in small ways all the time and stuff just entering the supply chain by accident. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goi%C3%A2nia_accident Of course when organized crime gets…

Do you think it's an accident China does not screen their export goods for safety? Nobody thought about it somehow for decades? Organized crime runs all the way through the system in many places, not just China.

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Re: Study Pinpoints Source of Banned Gas That Saps Ozone Layer: Eastern China

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Post by adrianN »

internet_user wrote: post #48
roywiggins wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of awful things happen because people are just negligent, desperate, and ignorant. Perhaps a lot of the radioactive scrap is being created knowingly, I don't know. When there are well-documented incidents like this, I can imagine this happening in small ways all the time and stuff just entering the supply chain by accident. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goi%C3%A2nia_accident Of course when organized crime gets…

Do you think it's an accident China does not screen their export goods for safety? Nobody thought about it somehow for decades? Organized crime runs all the way through the system in many places, not just China.

Does any country screen their exports for safety? Screening imports I've heard before, but never exports.

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Post by internet_user »

daodedickinson wrote: post #42
jlawson wrote: post #38

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Really not. Spend some time in China. It won't take long (hours to days) before you notice the utter callousness with which people habitually treat strangers and the environment around them. It can't be believed until it's experienced.

Is there any place with comparable population density with a substantially better social environment? If so, have you any theories that could explain the difference?

India, Korea, Japan, Vietnam, Indonesia - quite literally anywhere else.

Cultural Revolution selected for these traits, survival at any cost.

Now you have a billion people that have no regard whatsoever for lives of others.

Re: Study Pinpoints Source of Banned Gas That Saps Ozone Layer: Eastern China

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Post by internet_user »

adrianN wrote: post #92
internet_user wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think it's an accident China does not screen their export goods for safety? Nobody thought about it somehow for decades? Organized crime runs all the way through the system in many places, not just China.

Does any country screen their exports for safety? Screening imports I've heard before, but never exports.

How can a random truck stop in Kentucky detect that radiation, but apparently goods passed through Chinese ports (and in fact the supply chain) without setting off anything anywhere?

Think about that for a minute.

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Post by MagnumOpus »

roboys wrote: post #81
BurningFrog wrote: post #58

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Some say the genocides of Communism and the Cultural Revolution wiped out a lot of the old civilized ways and made the survivors callous.

We shouldn't forget the almost 100 years of Europeans pumping opium into their country.

This hypothesis is falsified by the fact that the Chinese who live in Taiwan and Hong Kong are by and large perfectly civilised people, rather unlike mainland China.

Re: Study Pinpoints Source of Banned Gas That Saps Ozone Layer: Eastern China

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Post by mschuster91 »

internet_user wrote: post #94
adrianN wrote: post #92

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Does any country screen their exports for safety? Screening imports I've heard before, but never exports.

How can a random truck stop in Kentucky detect that radiation, but apparently goods passed through Chinese ports (and in fact the supply chain) without setting off anything anywhere? Think about that for a minute.

Because your random truckspot has way lower throughput than any major port. You absolutely can do a full freeze-and-search on a German Autobahn (and it regularly gets done to check for driving clock records, overloading and insecure fastening of load), but in a port? No way. Only thing that's remotely practical is to check 1 of N containers with a drug dog or an x-ray and that's it.

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Post by mschuster91 »

tozeur wrote: post #47

Having been an expat traveled to over 25 countries, I can confidently say our natural world is fucked. Modern industrialism has given the third world too much manufacturing power. And they aren’t aware of the consequences and don’t care, because “fuckit I want kids toys and double ply toilet paper for my family too, not just the Westerners”

Where's the problem with toilet paper? That stuff degrades really really fast even if simply dumped somewhere.

Re: Study Pinpoints Source of Banned Gas That Saps Ozone Layer: Eastern China

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Post by Joakal »

whiddershins wrote: post #70
BurningFrog wrote: post #60

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All currently rich "sophisticated" countries were in a similar phase when they were fighting their way out of poverty. Once countries get rich enough, they can afford to care about the environment. China seems to advance much faster than others did historically, so I'm hopeful.

We also assumed as countries became more rich/industrialized/advanced they would become more democratic, and more concerned with human rights, and less zero-sum adversarial in dealing with the United States. I think those hopes are no longer mainstream thinking in regards to China. How confident should we be about the prediction that China will adopt similar policies to the US in regards to the things you are mention…

USA democratic system is one step away from China's one party system: it's a two party system in USA which hasn't changed much for centuries.

Europe, Australia, etc, have more than two parties in government. More choice, more representation.

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Post by Joakal »

BurningFrog wrote: post #76
whiddershins wrote: post #70

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We also assumed as countries became more rich/industrialized/advanced they would become more democratic, and more concerned with human rights, and less zero-sum adversarial in dealing with the United States. I think those hopes are no longer mainstream thinking in regards to China. How confident should we be about the prediction that China will adopt similar policies to the US in regards to the things you are mention…

China has definitely become much better on human rights. It's not often mentioned in polite company, but the Chinese communist government killed ~65 million of its own citizens under Mao. I don't want to downplay the current regime's many and serious human rights violations, but they are thankfully on a much more modest level. Internationally, China has focused strongly on peaceful trade, not military confrontation.

They didn't kill them. They went through a government change, a revolution where they were experienced in fighting, not farming. The alternative was living under the old government that they hated.

It's like in Zimbabwe, they kicked out the white farmers and suddenly they're no longer the bread state.

Re: Study Pinpoints Source of Banned Gas That Saps Ozone Layer: Eastern China

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Post by hobs »

heybrendan wrote: post #68
frequentnapper wrote: post #57

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This quote reeks of self-righteousness. Western corporations have done as much harm as they could get away with to make a quick buck as well. Jordan Peterson is an individual who seems like he struggled to make sense of the world according to his Christian/Pure-Capitalistic view of the world and decided to concoct wild self-righteous theories to justify his bias rather than change his viewpoint. The only thing he has…

> Western corporations have done as much harm as they could get away with to make a quick buck as well. I'm in agreement (for the most part)--historically speaking. I never said that this was purely relegated to China, although the topic of the article is indeed China. I'll also take this opportunity to remind you about HN commenting guidelines [1], specifically when disagreeing to try to "reply to the argument", as…

Anyone should be opposed to his works, he's a dog whistle artist and his brand of intellectual pablum really shouldn't be quoted in an intellectual forum.
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