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Group Chats Are Making the Internet Fun Again

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Re: Group Chats Are Making the Internet Fun Again

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Post by gaogao »

kzzzznot wrote: post #3
wetpaws wrote: post #2

Discord is the best thing that happened to me since IRC and I could not be happier. We exchange art, we discuss movies, we play DND together. Obviously it could not replace IRL connections, but it complements them nicely.

I’ve very recently signed up to discord. Are you able to recommend any high quality tech discord servers/of the same calibre as HN? Im also interested in video games playing/development

Both the Rust Programming Language Community Server and the Rust Programming Language server are pretty nice.

Re: Group Chats Are Making the Internet Fun Again

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Post by skinnymuch »

pcf wrote: post #75
cowmoo728 wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes but I currently have discord, hangouts, slack, line, and messenger installed, and have used keybase, signal, and matrix on top of that. It's a bit extreme.

Try Franz to gather many of them in one program?

The ram and random cpu usage spike on a Mac is too much for me to handle. I’ll never use Franz again after giving it multiple chances.

There’s more native FBM options as well as Slack and Discord combined clients (Ripcord) though the latter might not look or behave the way people want.

Re: Group Chats Are Making the Internet Fun Again

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Post by dmitriid »

Fnoord wrote: post #59
dmitriid wrote: post #34

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HN has a very strange hate/love relationship with modern chat systems. Slack/Discord/whatever: they are proprietary, they are closed-source, they are bad. IRCCloud (which is proprietary, closed source etc.): oh, it's so good, use it.

> HN has a very strange hate/love relationship with modern chat systems. > Slack/Discord/whatever: they are proprietary, they are closed-source, they are bad. > IRCCloud (which is proprietary, closed source etc.): oh, it's so good, use it. Who exactly is "HN"? How did you even decide "HN" has opinion X or Y? I'm fine with Discord because its mostly used for gaming. Given the previous options (Ventrilo, TeamSpeak, Mum…

> What I'm not fine with is being forced to use Slack for work-related material. You don't want such sensitive data centralized. You want to host such yourself

and immediately:

> IRCCloud, whatever it is, probably does not have the same amount of users as the previously mentioned two. But if it uses the IRC protocol (which the name suggests), at least that is open

IRCCloud is a centralised, closed-source entity that stores all your chat logs in the cloud. So, no different than Slack/Discord (with the exception of the protocol).

> Which, given that Slack is used for commercial endeavors, is worse for Slack.

How is it worse for Slack? Slack clearly provides value that IRC (and XMPP) don't. I really wish people would try and see why Slack etc. are popular and used (including in commercial settings), and why IRC/XMPP are not.

Re: Group Chats Are Making the Internet Fun Again

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Post by skinnymuch »

otachack wrote: post #77
0b0001 wrote: post #46

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You don't /need/ to install it on your computer. Most users won't use it that way anyway, but if you want, you just use the web interface. That doesn't even require any riddles about adding another end-to-end encryption keypair.

For sure, it piggybacks off the mobile device you connect with. It's a really solid, seamless, and easy way of starting a desktop client. I wish Telegram would adapt it as well but the current way it handles isn't terrible (1 time code).

I think telegram should def add it as another way. But as a more power user of Telegram and Whatsapp I would def prefer native sleek clients for both. Whatsapp issues go beyond that like not being able to log into a tablet.

But none of that goes away from the point of both being intuitive.

Re: Group Chats Are Making the Internet Fun Again

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Post by ahelwer »

DanTheManPR wrote: post #89
ulisesrmzroche wrote: post #84

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Ever been to a bar?

Serious question: how do you meet people at a bar? It has never been clear to me how that actually works.

People who go to bars alone are usually open to conversation. So you go to the bar and sit at the bar with open seats next to you. Whenever someone sits near you, you strike up conversation. It is wise here to have a keen sense of whether or not people are interested in continuing your conversation. Choose a bar with a relaxed, quiet atmosphere, probably serving tasty drinks so you have a shared activity over which to bond with people.

Re: Group Chats Are Making the Internet Fun Again

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Post by hombre_fatal »

ctvo wrote: post #88
alexgmcm wrote: post #10

30 years later and we have reinvented IRC, but worse as you can't use your own client, the protocol may not be public and it's harder to discover channels.

There's more to a product than a protocol and foundational similarities. Whenever someone uses this to distract away from the success of Slack, for example, I question if they realize that UX, design, ease are all part of a product and can be independently innovated on.

Reminds me when you start working on a side project, get a PoC working on the weekend (like a to-be application/website that for now kinda works on the command line), and tell yourself "alright, the hard part is over!"

Then you realize you only finished the 0.01%.

That's about where IRC seemed to have stopped. "We're done. The clients can do the hard stuff that users actually want."

Re: Group Chats Are Making the Internet Fun Again

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Post by yoz-y »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #87
yoz-y wrote: post #86

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I agree. The irccloud is trying to alleviate many of the problems in retro-compatible way. It has stuff like history, snippets, images and so on.

I pay for IRCCloud, but the problem is that it only fixes everything for you . It does you almost no good when nobody else can receive a message after they close their laptop or go through a tunnel. The IRC communities speak for themselves. Pretty much all regulars, no new blood, tiny, and opinionated grouches that are kinda hard to stand. You'd think #javascript or #node.js on Freenode would be pretty big. Nah, I'm…

Ease of use is definitely a big factor. It would be interesting to see if it were possible to try to build a community using IRCCloud first and basically use it as "Slack but with an irc gateway that will never go away". Their free tier modalities seem a bit too restrictive to allow that though.

Re: Group Chats Are Making the Internet Fun Again

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Post by sickygnar »

kalado wrote: post #23

I had that thought for months. I'll give you my business Idea for free for the next big social network, since I'd rather work on my game development: Chats based on hashtags. Are you watching the newest Game of Thrones ? Just search for #gameofthrones and enter the chat to talk with others. Chats go bad once too many people participate, so you split chats into channels of ~50. You can upvote messages and once they re…

It seems like reddit, with a subreddit being analogous to a hashtag

Re: Group Chats Are Making the Internet Fun Again

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Post by freewilly1040 »

iamben wrote: post #4

This rings very true. I'm down using Facebook/Twitter for work, or checking every 2 or 3 days if I'm bored, desperate or looking for something in particular. Instagram is about a 50% mix of pretty things and friends, but the pretty things post way more often, so the split is heavily in that direction. I'd say approximately a third of the friends I chat to regularly (late 30s ish) have left or don't use Facebook - but…

I just wish the messages were ephemeral... I’m more open but don’t trust Facebook to keep them private for all time

Re: Group Chats Are Making the Internet Fun Again

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Post by ggg2 »

YokoZar wrote: post #11
alexgmcm wrote: post #10

30 years later and we have reinvented IRC, but worse as you can't use your own client, the protocol may not be public and it's harder to discover channels.

At least your friends don't need a whole lot of instruction to join. Inserting pictures is pretty easy. And it's mobile.

mIRC was probably as easy as slack. but you didn't have to force everyone to use mIRC.

Same for aim, icq... greedy killed all of those, not the ability to create better open clients. Namely msn and gtalk (not the jabber offering, which was a joke attempt of making federated icq for corporations, enterprisey java codebase and all)

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