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Re: Google confirms Play store will continue to function for existing Huawei phones

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Post by HenryBemis »

product50 wrote: post #73
HenryBemis wrote: post #64

Money talk, bs walks. Of course "Play store will continue to work". To use the Sex Pistols lyrics: God save the queen, 'Cause tourists are money , And our figurehead, Is not what she seems. Huawai may be 'evil' (or any other justification) but the money of the millions of Huawei phone owners are more than welcome. System update is a money-losing function. You get people to work and collaborate with vendors, but this…

What is your point?

That it makes perfect sense to stop supporting those devices. The effort costs money. So if they want to put their foot down and force 'change' (and everything else in the trade-wars/political agenda), you stop spending your money on them, but you continue milking the profit from their users.

This is partially correct as a responsible business stance, because in the end of the day, you support the users, who in the end of the day, are not at fault for Huawei's bad doings.

And with that said, I do agree that China is in need of major democratic reform that will never come, as the autocracy (I don't want to use a harsher word). I also recognize the maladities that China has caused and is continuing to cause.

This was not a pro-Chinese-gov message. This was a Google-loves-the-revenue-and-the-foothold message.

Re: Google confirms Play store will continue to function for existing Huawei phones

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Post by dagaci »

gcatalfamo wrote: post #57

Warning: Personal opinion, so treat it as such. Regardless of this being mandated or not, they are sacking the best Android flagship representative thus leaving the market open to others. Huawei is huge outside US and their latest phones are a better purchase than Samsung, more performant but most importantly they age slower which is a critical thing for an Android device.

This has been mandated by a US government decree. The US president has declared a "National Emergency" which gives him this kind of power. They have placed Huawei and 70 linked partners on a trade blacklist saying Huawei is a danger to national security.

So it is now effectively an offense for US companies to trade with Huawei directly or indirectly.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/3010403/us-commerce-...

I hope it leads to competition, but i doubt that will happen any time soon.

Re: Google confirms Play store will continue to function for existing Huawei phones

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Post by SJetKaran »

dis-sys wrote: post #62
zmmmmm wrote: post #5

They don't seem to be doing a very good job of communicating whether this is voluntary or mandated by the trade sanctions. It would seem to be terribly damaging to Google and Android if they can't convince OEMs that this is something extraordinary that no other OEM will need to worry about.

> It would seem to be terribly damaging to Google and Android if they can't convince OEMs that this is something extraordinary that no other OEM will need to worry about. what makes you believe that this is something extraordinary? why other Chinese manufacturers like Xiaomi or OPPO don't need to worry about such move?

Part of the push against Huawei in US, is because it also deals with networking equipment. Xiaomi and OPPO don't do that.

Re: Google confirms Play store will continue to function for existing Huawei phones

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Post by mhandley »

dx034 wrote: post #7

So how long will it take until Asian Phone companies using Android get together to develop an alternative Android ecosystem? They could set it up in a neutral nation with profits going to all companies. So far, these always failed because it was only one company involved (e.g. Amazons app store) but will all major manufacturers involved, it would be much more profitable for developers to be on that app store than on…

Why would Samsung want to team up with Huawei on this? Huawei is a major competitor to Samsung; having Google services available on Samsumg phones and not on Huawei ones is a major competitive win for Samsumg. They must be laughing all the way to the bank right now.

Re: Google confirms Play store will continue to function for existing Huawei phones

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Post by tekkk »

NotPaidToPost wrote: post #58

This is really an appalling decision by the US government that brings us back to the darkest days of colonialism and Western exploitation: Gunboat diplomacy in full swing. China is lucky to be too big to be actually bombed these days... I think this will prove extremely significant because all the recent history of China (last 150 years) has been about freeing themselves from that. In the short term this decision wil…

Colonialism? Western exploitation? Really? I do not think that this was necessarily a smart or moral choice by the US's part, but I guess they know more about the issue than I do, based on which this action was made.

But I am curious how you can draw a line between alleged espionage accusations and the need for the US to secure its own telecommunications networks by forcing out a possibly hostile actor and colonialism? Protectionism yes, but not colonialism. It really irritates me when people start extrapolating hyperboles based on their own emotions of how things are, with logical reasoning only an afterthought to validate their raging desire to feel certain way about something. The platform for doing that is Twitter or Facebook, not HackerNews.

Re: Google confirms Play store will continue to function for existing Huawei phones

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Post by deesep »

gonvaled wrote: post #41
generic_user wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fundamental issues surrounding China 2025 which has prompted a shift in trade posture between the United States and China affect every other developed manufacturing nation in the world. Including Germany and the rest of the EU Nations. Just because the EU has not gotten publicly involved does not mean that they are not involved privatively in negotiations. Europe along with Japan, Korea etc have the luxury to sta…

> The fundamental issues surrounding China 2025 What are those issues? Why is the goal of advancing your local industries frown upon? Why is the US in the business of telling sovereign countries what they should produce, buy or sell?

Nothing wrong with the goal of advancing ones local industries. Competition is good, but only if it's fair.

China uses and copies a lot of western technologies yet puts a lot of restrictions on western countries that want to do business in China. To get access to their huge market certain businesses are required to share their intellectual properties with the Chinese. Is that fair? Kawasaki Heavy Industries shared their technology and now the Chinese get more contracts to build trains than they do.

Facebook is banned, Wikipedia is blocked, and Google was kicked out some years ago. Nortel networks collapsed because it is alleged that Chinese hackers stole their IP which was used by Huawei to reach its present heights. I don't consider American governments as saints but regarding China's practices I am not surprised America is acting the way it is.

Re: Google confirms Play store will continue to function for existing Huawei phones

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

ddebernardy wrote: post #65
fauigerzigerk wrote: post #40

This is ominous for Apple as well, being the poster child of American industry. China could retaliate by disrupting Apple's supply chain, but I don't think it will happen as it would put a huge question mark over China as a component supplier for every single industry.

Apple moving its supply chain out of China (and back to the US) is exactly what Trump wants. If only for political reasons and self-interest, there's just no way China would retaliate how you suggest.

As I said, I do _not_ think that China will retaliate in this way. But I worry that things could get out of hand if emotions take over.

Trump's emotions are on display for everyone to see, but I think the US administration and maybe even Trump himself are more aware of the trade-offs than they're letting on.

In China, I believe, it's the other way around. The regime likes to appear rational and unemotional, but I think they are struggling hugely to keep more aggressive nationalist sentiment at bay.

There's a danger that face saving and responding "adequately" to perceived national humiliation could take on a dynamic of its own.

This is the stuff that wars are made of - real wars, not just trade wars.

Re: Google confirms Play store will continue to function for existing Huawei phones

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Post by edoloughlin »

It's nice to know my Nexus 6p will continue to function, then. I dug it out of a drawer a month ago and it updated. It can no longer see my WiFi. It can see my neighbours' WiFi no problem, just not mine. Looking on the bright side, I guess that means I don't need to worry about the Huawei baseband.

Re: Google confirms Play store will continue to function for existing Huawei phones

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Post by NotPaidToPost »

tekkk wrote: post #95
NotPaidToPost wrote: post #58

This is really an appalling decision by the US government that brings us back to the darkest days of colonialism and Western exploitation: Gunboat diplomacy in full swing. China is lucky to be too big to be actually bombed these days... I think this will prove extremely significant because all the recent history of China (last 150 years) has been about freeing themselves from that. In the short term this decision wil…

Colonialism? Western exploitation? Really? I do not think that this was necessarily a smart or moral choice by the US's part, but I guess they know more about the issue than I do, based on which this action was made. But I am curious how you can draw a line between alleged espionage accusations and the need for the US to secure its own telecommunications networks by forcing out a possibly hostile actor and colonialis…

Enough with repeating the official propaganda of "espionnage", etc. This is a transparent pretext.

The real issue is the US facing the end of their status of top dog with the rise of a superpower that does not answer to them (which is an emotive subject).

It's no hyperbole to state that they are fighting for their empire and resorting to gunboat diplomacy. Nothing less, nothing more.

This is an extremely sensitive, and indeed emotive, topic in China. People should really realise the level of anger and long term effects this can only have in China. Amd for what? Short term feeling of power for US...

Re: Google confirms Play store will continue to function for existing Huawei phones

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Post by rakoo »

v7p1Qbt1im wrote: post #35
josteink wrote: post #31

First Google time-bombs their Nest-devices, and now they’ve created precedent for time-bombing huge swaths of Android-devices too. All in less than a week. You’d be crazy to invest deeply into anything Google at this point. Edit: This clearly shows the weakness with the android software update delivery mechanism and architecture. If you install windows on a Chinese laptop, there is no way Microsoft is going to block…

It‘s not like it was their choice to make. Intel, Qualcomm, etc. are doing the same. The US and Chinese government are to blame. Edit: Quite possibly Windows will not receive updates on Huawei laptops anymore.

I don't really see where China has faulted here.
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