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Trump Moves to Ban Foreign Telecom Gear, Targeting Huawei and China

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Re: Trump Moves to Ban Foreign Telecom Gear, Targeting Huawei and China

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Post by jessaustin »

deepnotderp wrote: post #44
chrisco255 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe that's our fault for outsourcing all of our semiconductor production to China. We got cheap electronics out of the deal, but we've lost a lot of expertise in manufacturing as a result.

We don't outsource semiconductor production to China, China actually currently lacks leading edge semiconductor capabilities

I don't buy into all of this anti-sinitic paranoia, but if suspicion of China-produced semiconductors were reasonable, why wouldn't suspicion of Taiwan-produced semiconductors also be reasonable?

Re: Trump Moves to Ban Foreign Telecom Gear, Targeting Huawei and China

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Post by m0zg »

krapp wrote: post #87
s_y_n_t_a_x wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you would like to pick the strongest cases from the list I'd be more than willing to poke holes in them. I skimmed through the wikipedia article and your other link, there was a lot of here-say, some things that may not be PC by today's standards, and some outright falsehoods. I did not see any racism though. He had a black girlfriend, his son-in-law is Jewish. I really don't see how he can be racist. I think peop…

Well yes. I did say it was circumstantial evidence, but there is a lot of it. >He had a black girlfriend, his son-in-law is Jewish. I really don't see how he can be racist. As I mentioned elsewhere, H.P. Lovecraft was anti-semitic, and married a Jewish woman. Also, Dick Cheney's daughter is gay, but he doesn't support gay rights (and yes, "gay" is not a race, let's not get bogged down in pedantry.) It is entirely pos…

It's the other way around, you got it all wrong. Bush wanted to introduce a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. Cheney was against this amendment.

I'll tell you more, Obama was against gay marriage well after that, as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6K9dS9wl7U

Specifically, written of Cheney in 2004:

"Vice President Dick Cheney, whose daughter Mary is a lesbian, distanced himself from President Bush’s call for a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage “Lynne and I have a gay daughter, so it’s an issue our family is very familiar with,” Cheney told an audience that included his daughter. “With the respect to the question of relationships, my general view is freedom means freedom for everyone. People ought to be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to. “The question that comes up with the issue of marriage is what kind of official sanction or approval is going to be granted by government? Historically, that’s been a relationship that has been handled by the states. The states have made that fundamental decision of what constitutes a marriage,” he said."

Source: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/5817720/ns/politics/t/cheney-odds-...

Which is basically a position identical to Obama's position in 2008. Funny between two people holding the same views one is called a "homophobe", and another is a paragon of virtue.

Re: Trump Moves to Ban Foreign Telecom Gear, Targeting Huawei and China

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Post by olliej »

monocasa wrote: post #90
olliej wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know right? If you ship horrible security flaws so often, eventually no one will think they're intentional :D Honestly you could probably do it without engineers knowing about it simply by cutting QA and red team budgets. I'm not saying I think that's what happens at Cisco. Having worked at large companies that actively try to ship secure products, and having observed (as a paying end user) the general terrible-nes…

There's screwing up and having bugs. And then there's leaving in five separate root logins in just in the first half of 2018. Like, come on.

the problem with that statement though is that's also what happens with every internet attached device people buy. At this point I would be surprised if an off the shelf IoT/IoS device didn't have at least one root login and RCE via a command line passed in a url.

Re: Trump Moves to Ban Foreign Telecom Gear, Targeting Huawei and China

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Post by cljs-js-eval »

petschge wrote: post #4

The fear mongering against Huawei becomes really interesting when you look at all the "sorry, we forgot about that unintentional access possibility" incidents in Cisco gear that might either be back doors or lousy QA leading to security problems.

Given what China is willing to do in Xinjiang, can it really be called fear mongering? Someone willing to turn an entire state into a surveillance camp is definitely ok with using a hardware company to spy. In what world would they have scruples about spying with Huawei but not in restricting the freedoms of an entire ethnic group? For what it's worth, I'm aware that could partially apply to the US as well.

Re: Trump Moves to Ban Foreign Telecom Gear, Targeting Huawei and China

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Post by monocasa »

olliej wrote: post #93
monocasa wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's screwing up and having bugs. And then there's leaving in five separate root logins in just in the first half of 2018. Like, come on.

the problem with that statement though is that's also what happens with every internet attached device people buy. At this point I would be surprised if an off the shelf IoT/IoS device didn't have at least one root login and RCE via a command line passed in a url.

I'm talking about the big iron that provides core infrastructure to corporate intranets, and the Internet at large. Comparing that to fly by night IoT shovelware is a bit disingenuous, IMO.

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Post by myrandomcomment »

petschge wrote: post #4

The fear mongering against Huawei becomes really interesting when you look at all the "sorry, we forgot about that unintentional access possibility" incidents in Cisco gear that might either be back doors or lousy QA leading to security problems.

The difference is it our "company" that screwed up. If it is Cisco there is a reasonable belief that they just screwed it up. If it is a China company the assumption has to be it was for the government. That does not have to be the truth, but it is just the way it is.

The reality is that both just liked screwed up.

Re: Trump Moves to Ban Foreign Telecom Gear, Targeting Huawei and China

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Post by s_y_n_t_a_x »

krapp wrote: post #87
s_y_n_t_a_x wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you would like to pick the strongest cases from the list I'd be more than willing to poke holes in them. I skimmed through the wikipedia article and your other link, there was a lot of here-say, some things that may not be PC by today's standards, and some outright falsehoods. I did not see any racism though. He had a black girlfriend, his son-in-law is Jewish. I really don't see how he can be racist. I think peop…

Well yes. I did say it was circumstantial evidence, but there is a lot of it. >He had a black girlfriend, his son-in-law is Jewish. I really don't see how he can be racist. As I mentioned elsewhere, H.P. Lovecraft was anti-semitic, and married a Jewish woman. Also, Dick Cheney's daughter is gay, but he doesn't support gay rights (and yes, "gay" is not a race, let's not get bogged down in pedantry.) It is entirely pos…

I don't see enough evidence to prove he is. And in the spirit of the American justice system, I'll presume innocence.

I'm willing to be swayed if you can find a strong enough argument.

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Post by acct1771 »

quotz wrote: post #61
cup wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And CIA seeded companies aren't?

USA is not a communist country, big difference. With political administration changes, also do foreign policy opinions change, along with whatever CIA has to do with foreign sovereignties. One USA regime pardons Manning, another jails him/her. One USA regime bombs Syria, another doesnt. Also, CIA seeded companies are just a few and none of the big ones. Palantir and Oculus are their biggest, not sure Oculus can spy o…

You are overestimating the oversight the rest of the Feds have on the CIA.

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Post by lowken10 »

mschuster91 wrote: post #3
samirm wrote: post #2

This in addition to all the "security" advisories to other countries seems like a move to curb their economic growth more than anything.

For once in 2 years though the current US admin is right IMHO. China is not an ally, Russia is not an ally. Best case they're semi-neutral, worst case they're the next enemy. China especially has been playing the ultra-long game by slowly getting more and more countries under their dependence, buying up assets left and right and where that didn't help resorting to industrial espionage. The problem that the telco oper…

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